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Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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It's simply divided. With every such division A vs. B, the A team thinks HN is anti-A and the B team thinks it's anti-B. This is an invariant. You can see from the following megathread, currently on the front page, that HN is by no means anti-AI: Ask HN: What was your "oh shit" moment with GenAI? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48406174 . Sometimes it just takes the right initial condition (e.g. title) to brin…

Thanks for pointing it out. I guess HN is at worst ( or best ) 70% Anti AI. I personally put it roughly 50/50. There are plenty of post and comments suggest how AI is good for something and but also pointing out its flaws, rather than simply just Anti AI.

I can tell what HN is Anti though, in 80/ 90%+ if not higher. Ads, Oracle, Facebook, MPEG Codec, MySQL,

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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I'm not against the usage of AI as a first principle, but there are a lot of problems with it currently that make me against its use.

The losing jobs problem. The controlled by a few big companies problem. The sycophancy problem. The devaluation of human purpose in our culture problem. The loss of human communication problem. Writing code a bit faster is not worth all these problems.

Separate from that, I also don't think it's good enough. By the time you stand up all the processes and guardrails that make it viable, and account for the lessened understanding slowing velocity in the long term, I don't think it really speeds things up. Obviously it speeds up small things that you don't need to understand much, but that's not what I typically work on.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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I’m working with an ideas guy, no skills and no capital but for the first time can deliver code He wants my tech expertise, his code is spaghetti, he is making all the mistakes, he is experiencing AI psychosis, his AI makes md files warning him that its all going to burn him which he forwards to me lackadaisically without reading But can he sale? Yes Its tempting for me to proselytize that he isnt using feature branc…

I've also have to work with a guy like that. It could be okay if it wasn't for the fact that they have a high esteem of themselves and don't learn shit. The first POC they vibecoded and managed to sell was a pile of trash that we couldn't realistically deploy as it. So we spent two weeks to make it something decent enough to have the minimum confidence of the thing being reliable and safe enough to reach staging. Two…

and what do you earn from helping him maintain his app … platform

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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What you’re saying is correct if the model is trained with all the knowledge humanity had, has and ever produce. But at the moment the next token prediction is quite limited to the training data. Things could change if the model supports re-inforced leaning. That way the LLM would change the weights in real time based on a feedback loop, but again that could vastly improve the quality of the token prediction or compl…

The distinction I would make here is that computer code is logical transformations on arbitrary data, not the actual data itself. An LLM can learn the entire space of logical transformation patterns from existing code, and can hallucinate new logical transformations, using a computer as a validator for the logic, so an LLM can create new logic as well as repeat existing patterns, and that logic can be applied to nove…

That’s not how LLMs work at the moment as far as I understand. LLM would not hallucinate any new logical transformation, rather just predict a transformation from its training data.

I understand that there can be many different combinations for all the logical transformations in the training data. But still the number of combinations are finite and I would assume that large number of those combinations would not result in any meaningful outcome.

Best outcome is that it just predicts a new pattern we haven’t discovered (LLM randomly connected the correct dots) one example is protein folding.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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> Let’s face it: by the time I manually ship version 1.0 of a product, the AI-assisted version could have been deployed 10x faster. Show the receipts. Where are the mobile apps, the photoshop replacements, the video and audio editors, the games and game engines that took a decade to make in the past that have shipped since Claude code came along? > By then, enough real-world feedback would have surfaced to identify t…

It's definitely not at the make me a photoshop stage but I don't think that angle explains adequately explains the tone of the anti-AI hn discussions taking place at all. If it was just a toy with no shot at making something real people would go "oh cool have fun with that" and move on with their life. Instead we see pretty emotionally charged posts.

I can't speak for others, but my main emotional issue with it is how it has addled the minds of my employers. If they would judge on output and I couldn't keep up objectively, ok fine I'll use AI. But they judge on usage even if output is worse! Anyone would be upset if forced to abandon their skills and work in a different way that produces worse results and is less enjoyable. It's just stupid.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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> I have many diverse friend groups. And HN is lot lot more anti AI then even the worst of the non technical groups I am in. "I listen to both kinds of music, country and western."

I have made very falsifiable statement.

dang falsified it. Also, if you visit this URL at time of writing, three of the top five stories are pro-AI:

https://hn.algolia.com/?q=ai

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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Oh dang, we all know –based on observation of your throughput and availability– that you're AI, you just can't "be nervous". Jokes aside, thanks for your selection. I had read some, but missed others until your comment. If it matters, I think there's some people that hasn't decided yet what tribe (pro-AI/anti-AI) they belong to. There's probably dozens of us!

The argument is dialectical. In other words both sides are right. There is a really important question that is been lost between the anti and pro AI camps which is really answering what AI is good at and what AI is bad at, and what is the root cause of the weaknesses. Is it intrinsic to the models that LLM's use, or the way thy have been trained. In this knowledge is where the gold mine is for the next start up. For…

> There is a really important question that is been lost between the anti and pro AI camps which is really answering what AI is good at and what AI is bad at, ...

I think some of this pro/anti AI discussion is really a proxy for something else though. There is another unstated, societal disagreement about personal responsibility and the behaviors of the AI tool users.

It isn't entirely new, as people have always been blaming abstractions which lack agency (society, bureaucracy, "the machine", "the process", "the game", etc.) to conduct themselves in an ethically or logically flawed manner and then shirk responsibility. But, I think it is accelerating dramatically with the way AI agent usage is being adopted. I don't see how this can possibly continue to be normalized without leading to a catastrophic outcome.

Right now, AI tool usage is being applied in ways that would have been considered misconduct, negligence, or fraud if the actors were doing the same thing via traditional outsourcing. People who have a contractual and ethical responsibility to apply analysis, judgement, and oversight are rapidly turning into dumb pipes who just relay content. They essentially phone it in, trying to take credit for apparently moving KPIs "up and to the right". They pretend to themselves and others that they are reviewers and still in control, but when things go wrong they expect forgiveness and for others to lean in and clean up their rapidly spreading mess.

In software circles, many of us are appalled by this slop that is poisoning the well for our existing organizations. It seems like a massive, toxic externality. To us, people aiming their AI agents into our existing collaborations are pretty much flipping a switch to "roll coal", or worse.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that HN was at least as sharply negative during the cryptocurrency craze. I recall various submissions asking "Why is HN so anti-crypto?" as well.

The false equivalency in this explanation is off the scale. It wasn't just that crypto was an obvious grift; it was that you didn't need to be an experienced developer to confirm that 99% of the "web 3.0" nonsense that what was being thrown around literally made no technical sense. You might reject LLMs on principle, or find that they don't work for you. But I think we're well past any debate of whether they do anyth…

> It wasn't just that crypto was an obvious grift

Was it universally obvious? Hindaight is 20/20 There were many block-chain startups funded, and even FAANG got caught up in the hype. FWIW, I was a crypto sceptic, but I had many arguments with believers online and in my social circles. Side note: a crypto enthusiast colleague bought a house off their crypto gains, it may be a grift, but a small number of crypto-believwrs got really wealthy, and you're not going to convince them.

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