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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by afavour »

eunos wrote: post #293
afavour wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yeah, because they block outside social media networks…

The point is they don't care my yap on my social media unlike the other nation across the pond

Right… because your yap is not accessible to anyone in their country and they have a much higher level of control and tracking that makes a potential dissident less dangerous.

I’m not defending the US policy for a second, it’s totalitarian. But holding China up as a positive comparison to totalitarian impulses is missing the bigger picture.

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Post by rgblambda »

Putting aside that the source for this is a Reddit post linking to screenshots of text, as opposed to a news site where a journalist would have to stake their reputation on the story being true.

Anyone can report anyone else to "the authorities" for anything. It doesn't mean the unnamed authorities act on it. It's also quite strange that Yoti (if this isn't just a hoax) don't specify which policing unit is recieving these reports.

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Post by LightBug1 »

picofarad wrote: post #268
dijit wrote: post #250

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thought the culture was “free speech” if you’re denied at the border for expressing speech online at some historic point (non-violent) then how can “respecting the culture” work? When I am in Saudi Arabia, I don’t wear shorts out of respect for their culture; but they don’t go through my instagram looking for pictures of me in shorts.

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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by lwhi »

jadamson wrote: post #299
lwhi wrote: post #279

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And what's your point?

You said one officer. There were four in attendance. You're saying that allegations of two-tier policing are far-right disinformation. In fact, it is official policy, and the IPCC document leaves no room for interpretation on this. Another user brought up Jean Charles de Menezes, a man killed in the wake of the 7/7 London bombings after being misidentified as a terror threat that should not be allowed on the tube. Ir…

> You're saying that allegations of two-tier policing are far-right disinformation.

No.

I am saying that this one event is being used as ammunition by racist organisations to further their aims.

One officer was filmed on body cam arresting Henry Nowak. I am referring to him.

I am utterly disgusted by the number of frankly racist people using this as a reason to prevent our society being celebrated for its diversity.

It's wrong to use this as an example of why immigration is bad for society.

I find your efforts abhorrent.

> In fact, it is official policy, and the IPCC document leaves no room for interpretation on this.

Which policy led to this tragedy occurring?

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Post by diordiderot »

gizajob wrote: post #228
JdeBP wrote: post #164

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Not having a written constitution is not the same as not having rights in everyday practice.

This confuses so many people - the Uk has a series of constitutions and a very strong and historical legal basis for rights. It’s not strictly codified in one purposely written document but it does exist. And it’s a mistake to say if there’s no constitution then you have no fundamental rights. The UKs system is a hodgepodge but so is having a written constitution that can be regularly amended or otherwise ignored.

Like trial by jury... Oh wait. Going this year

Or freedom of protest... Er ehm, that was three years ago

Well at least no Double jeopardy... until 2003

Right to silence! Oh no not that one either

Shrugs and scratches head

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Post by alpinisme »

rvnx wrote: post #234
IshKebab wrote: post #177

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Not practical in many cases. I'm starting a new job soon and have to visit the US. No way am I saying no to that (way too good a job). I'll probably just buy a decoy phone for the border.

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> Think of it like being a guest

But I only hold guests responsible for what they say while in my home. Not what they have said to their friends in DMs 6 months beforehand.

But the analogy is imprecise because the border patrol isn’t inviting people and revoking invitations when they misbehave. They are granting access to public spaces or revoking that. And the idea that a public place should do anything more than gate on current activity in that place is insane (for speech!)

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Post by microtonal »

josephg wrote: post #128
paulgdp wrote: post #100

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> Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. This is precisely the reason why I don't want to visit the US at the moment. The USA immigration officers can ask me to forfeit my phone's password and look at all my photos, documents, messages, call logs etc, WITHOUT SUSPICION. Some of that data can even stay on their servers for decades, and who knows if i…

Me too. I’m going to wait a few more years before I visit again. I‘m also careful with what I say online. US CBP tracks what people post online, and has been known to deny entry to people for being critical critical of the current president. I don’t want to risk losing out on future opportunities in the land of the free.

I‘m also careful with what I say online. US CBP tracks what people post online, and has been known to deny entry to people for being critical critical of the current president. I don’t want to risk losing out on future opportunities in the land of the free.

I will rather choose not to visit the US for the foreseeable time, maybe never again (have been to the US more than 10 times). Freedom of speech is more important than tourist visits to the US. Well and working there was never an option for me, worker protection, universal healthcare, etc. make life much nicer.

Maybe the US will be free enough again in the future, but with its trajectory, I am not betting on it.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by notagorn »

kstenerud wrote: post #197

Looking more closely into the claim, the actual message from Yoti was: "Due to past security concerns, Yoti automatically flags multiple verification attempts and any devices running GrapheneOS. These instances are automatically reported to both the authorities and our security team." Then: "Unfortunately, as multiple attempts were made from this specific device, your account has been flagged for suspicious activity.…

> i.e. multiple verification attempts from a GrapheneOS device will flag your account

Congratulations Graphene for being acknowledged as the OS of the next generation. An old version of Android or OsX would just be a confused boomer.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by graemep »

avereveard wrote: post #298
trumpdong wrote: post #222

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If they're turning over all information the police have it makes sense this gets turned over... Or do you want the police to not have any record they spoke to you, so they'll come tomorrow and say the same thing again, and again, and again?

Metadata does not require data and conflating them doesn't help your point

So what metadata would be appropriate? Just an incident regarding this person was reported? For a hate incident regarding this person was reported? That could easily make things worse as the risk is that people looking at the check would assume the worst.
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