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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

foldr wrote: post #111
fer wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't call it two-tier justice, because generally the courts do the right thing, but there's a shamefully obvious two-tier policing. From the Jay Report [0] showing crimes swept under the rug according to ethnic/socioeconomic background of perp and victim, to arresting people for opposing genocide (sorry: terrorism!) [1] to the recent case of Henry Nowak [2], it's really hard not to see a two-tier policing in th…

The Palestine Action ban was overturned by the courts. And putting this together with the Nowak case leads to an almost contradictory position. Whatever the issues with police handling of pro-Palestinian protestors, they're not instances of what the far right would call two-tier policing (i.e. the bogus claim that the police treat white people more harshly than other ethnic groups). For example, here is a poster who'…

The police are ignoring the courts and still arresting people for protesting PA.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by kubb »

zx8080 wrote: post #101

It's so surprising that despute so many screams "China" in western media in the last 15 years, it happens in the west, but in China it's free to use any OS without any negative consequences. Why? What's going on?

Maybe because in 50 western countries nobody bothers you and the 1 exception, the UK did some weird stuff with online policing. The courts don’t sentence for that even in the UK, all you hear about are police actions.

They’re also declining hard because of brexit and maybe fear public unrest.

And in China for dissent you go to a reeducation camp. Or maybe the China incidents aren’t newsworthy, just expected.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by sph »

graemep wrote: post #157
exe34 wrote: post #112

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What good is a piece of paper? I have nice toilet paper. It doesn't make me safer when visiting the US.

The entire point of a constitution is that, unlike toilet paper, it can be enforced by the courts.

The very politicized US courts that collude with and are completely in the pocket of whomever's running the country? More developed countries have a clear separation between the judiciary and the executive powers.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by JdeBP »

shevy-java wrote: post #120
paulgdp wrote: post #100

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> Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. This is precisely the reason why I don't want to visit the US at the moment. The USA immigration officers can ask me to forfeit my phone's password and look at all my photos, documents, messages, call logs etc, WITHOUT SUSPICION. Some of that data can even stay on their servers for decades, and who knows if i…

Indeed, but the UK is in many ways words. At the least in the USA, often the constitution is upheld (give or take); in the UK you often don't even have such fundamental rights. The UK at present fits more to Russia than, e. g. European countries.

Not having a written constitution is not the same as not having rights in everyday practice.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by NoboruWataya »

Aldipower wrote: post #53
Cider9986 wrote: post #36

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Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. I won't be visiting. Despite many flaws, the US has some damn good rights for its citizens compared to the rest of the world.

Is this satire?

Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkCBhKs4faI

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by lwhi »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #151
lwhi wrote: post #74

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It's really not that complicated. If we have fewer non-white police officers, our ability to keep the whole of our (gratefully diverse) population safe is at a disadvantage. We need a police force that accurately represents the full range of diversity in our country. Occasionally members of the police force will f*k up badly. This is a fact. In the case of Henry Nowak, a police officer made an incredibly bad call and…

No-one cares about your opinion (or mine). You have misunderstood my point entirely. Being non-white does not mean they are able to do their job better. That is a racist belief. The police in this case were white. But they were acting on policies which require them to treat non-white members of the public differently. It is nothing to do with diversity. Unless you are a racist, diversity is not an end in itself. No-o…

No.

You are incorrect.

There was no policy in place that made the officer behave in this way.

The police officer made a huge mistake. It's as simple as that.

Racist groups are using this ammunition to suggest we need to undo the progress that was put in place to create a fairer more equitable society.

You are furthering their aims.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by Xirdus »

exe34 wrote: post #112
graemep wrote: post #80

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The US has a good constitution but worse policing.

What good is a piece of paper? I have nice toilet paper. It doesn't make me safer when visiting the US.

Maybe you're not safer, but you can get rich quick. Recently someone got $100k compensation for fake DUI charges and resulting wrongful imprisonment.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by VortexLain »

eesmith wrote: post #69
VariousPrograms wrote: post #4

I'm done for once the authorities know I have an account on HACKER News.

I went to a hackathon in another country and was worried about explaining that name to the border guard. To my relief, the topic didn't come up.

You could have told the guard you're going to a competitive programming contest.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by jadamson »

youngNed wrote: post #83
throwfaraway135 wrote: post #60

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There were times when there were more slaves in Athens than citizens. The Arab led slave trade flourished for much longer, by some records it is alive even today. The words Slav and slave have the same root. There were times when 30-40% of the Korean population were slaves. The Mongols killed and enslaved half of the known world.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. My point is this, none of these people ever make a point of how much freedom they had, because after a couple hundred years they stopped, quite like the the brits like to. It's pretty baffling tbh. Anyone: criticises the British empire. Brits: after several hundred years of brutal trans Atlantic slave trade, we stopped. Hurrah!

> My point is this, none of these people ever make a point of how much freedom they had, because after a couple hundred years they stopped, quite like the the brits like to.

The others he listed didn't stop voluntarily - their empires either collapsed or found themselves at the mercy of another that likely also practiced slavery. As he said, slavery was the default. The UK itself was getting raided by Barbary pirates just 200 years before the Slavery Abolition Act.

Unlike the Romans or the Mongols, the UK made a choice to stop, and they did so, at massive cost, because their values changed. They actual made actual progress, and thus are hated by many calling themselves progressives.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by foldr »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #151
lwhi wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not that complicated. If we have fewer non-white police officers, our ability to keep the whole of our (gratefully diverse) population safe is at a disadvantage. We need a police force that accurately represents the full range of diversity in our country. Occasionally members of the police force will f*k up badly. This is a fact. In the case of Henry Nowak, a police officer made an incredibly bad call and…

No-one cares about your opinion (or mine). You have misunderstood my point entirely. Being non-white does not mean they are able to do their job better. That is a racist belief. The police in this case were white. But they were acting on policies which require them to treat non-white members of the public differently. It is nothing to do with diversity. Unless you are a racist, diversity is not an end in itself. No-o…

>But they were acting on policies which require them to treat non-white members of the public differently.

There is no actual evidence of this. Some people apparently think they can read the minds of the officers on the scene. And, being serious for just a moment, even the most outré of the police policy documents that have been dug up following this event (allowing the dubious assumption that any serving police officer has ever read them) do not require the police to deny medical attention to white people who claim to have been stabbed.

The Nowak case is certainly a horrendous instance of police incompetence, but you have to marvel at the shamelessness of the people who are jumping to exploit it for nefarious political ends.

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