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New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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I’m not even going to night clicking on a title that is clearly a load of bullshit.

I suppose you could water down the ocean water it’ll was drinkable, or like just add half a teaspoon of sea water to a cup or drinking water.

Buy all work done eventually decades in to waste heat.

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They are talking about lithium recovery, but there is a less exotic byproduct I'm interested in. One tonne (≈ 1 m^3) of seawater contains about 1.3 kilograms of magnesium, equivalent to about 4 kg of magnesite ore. Typical desal prices are on the order of $1 per tonne. Magnesite ore goes for about $100 per tonne, so the crude magnesium in a tonne of seawater is worth about $0.40, which could account for a substantial…

Calcining Mg(OH)₂ -which is what you find in seawater - converts the soft compound into magnesium oxide, a valuable mineral commonly used in refractories, catalysts, and ceramics.The Chemical Equation: \(Mg(OH)_2 \xrightarrow{\Delta} MgO + H_2O\)Temperature Requirements: You need to heat the magnesium hydroxide to a temperature range between 500°C and 900°C. Heating at the lower end (around 500°C) yields a highly rea…

>Calcining Mg(OH)₂ -which is what you find in seawater

I'm not sure what to say, because it looks like you are copy-pasting from Wikipedia or something like that. Anyway, Mg(OH)2 is not found in seawater. Mg2+ is found as a dissociated ion. When you dry it, it mostly becomes MgCl2 with a little MgSO4. Mg(OH)2 is produced from seawater by the alkaline extraction process I mentioned before, and the process in TFA is interesting because it might be better.

Also, nobody would ever make magnesite ore. I referenced magnesium ore prices to estimate the value of the magnesium-as-ore in sea salt, because using finished magnesium prices would be misleading. Magnesium is mostly consumed either as the metal or as the oxide in cements and ceramics.

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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Municipal waste water is a much cheaper way to get desalinated water in the first place though.

except for the pharmaceuticals anyway

Hey, it's free viagra, prozac, progesterone and multivitamin supplements, all in a glass.

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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Brine doesn't necessarily behave the way you imagine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinicle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine_pool

You can dilute the brine in a facility before disposing.

With fresh water, we’ll get it from desalinization! Hey wait a second…

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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I think I read somewhere that salt can be used as energy storage medium? So we could get both water and batteries for renewal energy.

It’s about thermal storage, you don’t use table/sea salt for that, and you don’t need a lot of salt, because the salt is in a closed loop; it’s not being consumed.

But more thermal storage you want more salt you want, and it's gotta cost something, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten-salt_battery

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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It reminds me of how the Panama canal was built, and actually the first major attempt failed and they gave up. What they learned for the second attempt was that digging was not the hard(est) part to solve - it was how to move the dirt! So much dirt! Great book on this BTW: Path Between the Seas. I couldn't put it down.

It's such a good book! Like any dad reading history, I have been annoying my family for years with fun facts I learned in that book. David McCullough's other books like The Great Bridge (about building the Brooklyn Bridge) are also great.

You and I are the same person apparently. Let me tell you about malaria! Or the bends! Or tetanus! Please! Wait, where's everybody going?

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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It’s about thermal storage, you don’t use table/sea salt for that, and you don’t need a lot of salt, because the salt is in a closed loop; it’s not being consumed.

But more thermal storage you want more salt you want, and it's gotta cost something, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten-salt_battery

If you read the article you sent me, you'll learn that, just as I said, you don't use sodium chloride, aka table salt, aka sea salt, for these purposes.

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

#108

>> The solar-powered system uses specially engineered black metal to absorb sunlight. The new system replaces the earlier version that used specially engineered death metal.

Which was a big upgrade from the prior system which just used a heavy rock.

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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> without waste ...except for the huge piles of salt. If the salt was not waste, surely people would already be extracting it from the brine and the existing methods would also be "without waste".

Persian Gulf has 20% more salt in water because of the humans which are throwing the oversalinated waste back into the sea. Dehidrated salt may be a big deal for some areas because of no waste into input.

The brine is waste, and the dehydrated salt is also waste. Maybe dry waste is better, but it's still waste.

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

#110
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There is a fundamental minimum amount of energy needed to desalinate: you can't take less energy to do it,than you could gain back (from osmotic pressure) if you allowed the desalinated water to expand a cylinder containing the residual brine. This is large. This paper is a thermal method, so it doesn't have an electricity input, but to justify their efficiency claim, they should really compare against what you could…

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