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New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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There is a fundamental minimum amount of energy needed to desalinate: you can't take less energy to do it,than you could gain back (from osmotic pressure) if you allowed the desalinated water to expand a cylinder containing the residual brine. This is large. This paper is a thermal method, so it doesn't have an electricity input, but to justify their efficiency claim, they should really compare against what you could…

Brine is very easy to dispose of: you just pump it back to where it came from. Solid crystalline salt, on the other hand, is a hassle.

In an ideal world that crystalline salt by product could be used to offset any imported or mined salt, further reducing the environmental impact of those operations.

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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> The brine came from the ocean. Sure, and enriched uranium comes from the ground, but that doesn't mean it's safe to dump it back in after the enrichment process! > So just dilute it back to close to ambient salinity using municipal waste water… Wouldn't it generally be easier to process that municipal waste water, as is already fairly common?

The analogy would be if you "un-enrich" it. Then it's safe. Or at least no worse than when you took it out of the ground.

> The analogy would be if you "un-enrich" it.

But you're doing that with the same water you're trying to make in the first place!

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> Brine is very easy to dispose of: you just pump it back to where it came from. Easy, but not necessarily good for the spot you're pumping concentrated salt back into.

The brine came from the ocean. So just dilute it back to close to ambient salinity using municipal waste water that you are discharging anyway.

Municipal waste water is a much cheaper way to get desalinated water in the first place though.

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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The analogy would be if you "un-enrich" it. Then it's safe. Or at least no worse than when you took it out of the ground.

> The analogy would be if you "un-enrich" it. But you're doing that with the same water you're trying to make in the first place!

You could just dilute it using fresh seawater, if you used enough and (maybe) spread it over a wider area. The amount of water people need for drinking is a relative drop in the ocean.

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you can now extract (like mining) minerals from the ocean, sounds kind of dangerous for the ecosystem maybe? making it profitable to extract magnesium, lithium, salt... we can probably guess how this story goes. i'm hoping it doesn't scale, honestly.

You're worried we might use all the salt in the sea for some kind of ... salt pyramids, send the water back out through sewers, and consequently leave the world's oceans diluted? That's about 1 followed by 21 zeroes, I think, in liters.

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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> The analogy would be if you "un-enrich" it. But you're doing that with the same water you're trying to make in the first place!

You could just dilute it using fresh seawater, if you used enough and (maybe) spread it over a wider area. The amount of water people need for drinking is a relative drop in the ocean.

Brine doesn't necessarily behave the way you imagine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinicle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brine_pool

Re: New method turns ocean water into drinking water, without waste

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The brine came from the ocean. So just dilute it back to close to ambient salinity using municipal waste water that you are discharging anyway.

Municipal waste water is a much cheaper way to get desalinated water in the first place though.

except for the pharmaceuticals anyway

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>Persian Gulf has 20% more salt in water because of the humans I would like to read more about this from an authoritative source.

Through the magic of Googling "Persian Gulf salinity" it seems like it's more that it's a shallow Gulf in a dry area so it has significant evaporation. Desalination does effect it but it's only a few percent of the total evaporation (which is still surprisingly big) and doesn't sound like the main driving factor or an imminent ecological concern. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/marine-science/articles... https:/…

pardon my ignorance. But, all that salt was there already. right? Is it that we have less water there now ?
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