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Post by Dylan16807 »

dspillett wrote: post #842
Dylan16807 wrote: post #767

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> How is the filtering algorithm expected to know that? It doesn't. The humans working there need to add an override. > One of the touted advantages of collective mail systems [...] You cut off the most important qualifier in what I said. "In this case." They should be isolating or flat-out ignoring feedback for specifically epiqnotice.com.

If carving out exceptions like that were implemented by their choice, there would be a shit-storm of concerns about how it could be abused, with people immediately accusing them of abusing it because a message from a Google property or political entity got through to them. I wouldn't implement that by choice in their position. “By choice” is a load bearing member in that sentence structure, and depends on the exact w…

You think they have no mechanism for exceptions? And there would be a shitstorm just for having it? That's such a strange view to me that I don't think we're going to get anywhere near agreement on this.

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #568
tuananh wrote: post #421

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my only problem with fastmail is their spam filtering is so bad. they mistake legit emails quite often

Yes literally it threw an invoice from AWS into spam recently. Regularly throws financial docs into spam. Like you, i have a problem with false positives not false negatives. I brought it up with support once and the domain was failing DMARC. Headers from the AWS email that has a spam score of 9.1! I don’t know much about email but something must be wrong there on Fastmails side. x-sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-s…

> URIBL_DBL_ABUSE_PHISH 7

Hm...

Are you sure it was a legit invoice?

;-)

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Post by aucisson_masque »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #829
aucisson_masque wrote: post #543

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You already overpay the iphones, what more you want to pay ?

I don't believe I overpay. I use my phone for hours a day. It is a marvel. I find it far superior to Android, which I used for years. Yet I didn't buy the phone for the maps app. I have other choices for maps providers. It is perfectly acceptable to me that Apple charge me for additional services like maps.

We have different point of view then. I like iphones too, but I also admit that they are much more expensive than Android. You can get 140hz AMOLED with good processor on Android for 300€, s26 (comparable to iphone) is available at 600€. You don't get these discounts for iphone, it always stay near it's original price.

What makes it superior in my eyes is the quality of the default app, the note app for instance of the reminder, both extremely powerful and 'free'.

Now if they are going to downgrade their app quality by putting ads in them, it loose it's edge over cheaper Android phone.

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Post by newaccountman2 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #777
newaccountman2 wrote: post #759

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I never understood why anyone would want to download an application to do something as simple as checking email.

Because native apps are faster, work when you aren't online, and are all around more pleasant to use.

> work when you aren't online,

...but why do you need that?

Why does it need to be that fast too?

I guess many more people here are real power-users of email than I would expect for a forum full of engineers lol

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Post by xp84 »

efreak wrote: post #834
xp84 wrote: post #119

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Gmail has three main features that matter (to me at least) -- and they are huge, very important features. And as much as I don't like this fact, using their official web or mobile clients are the only way to get them: 1. Accurate, deterministic, fast search of your email 2. Whatever they call the categorized inbox, I use "Primary," "Promotions," and "Updates." 3. Labels implemented as labels, not mapped clumsily onto…

3 is a result of Gmail's imap implementation, and can be squarely blamed on Google. They did this intentionally. Instead of mapping the your tags as imap labels, they mapped them as a folder structure. While it certainly shouldn't be necessary, I do feel like it should be possible to work around this in a mail client, however; don't emails these days all have unique ids? If not, storing a hash of the message content+…

Have you used a mail client that supported these IMAP labels, though? Genuine question. I learned of their existence from your comment!

I found this: It looks like besides the folder kludge, Gmail does expose them via their own documented but nonstandard IMAP extension: https://developers.google.com/workspace/gmail/imap/imap-exte...

I wish (more) standard clients aggressively supported these to give an experience as good as the Gmail UI in that way.

But there are a lot of IMAP protocol features that most clients (especially consumer ones) don't even bother with. Server-side search being the #1 worst offender.

I did used to keep my whole email archive on my PC and back then it wasn't too bad to use Apple Mail to search (or Outlook for Windows way back before that!), but my fullest email history is basically only in Gmail now. This is my fault, but as a result, search essentially does not work anywhere for me but in Gmail's Web UI, unless it happens to be in a very recent message that happens to still be cached locally.

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Post by prismlfx »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #327

Looking for your alternative? Let me give you some (non financially motivated) praise for Fastmail. It has everything Gmail has - even app passwords, hide my email, and ios integration. The only criticism is the calendar doesn’t autocomplete addresses so that’s a bit more typing than I would like. But everything you do in Fastmail is instant . They live up to the name! Once you try it and go back, you’ll be shocked -…

thanks for the suggestion.. gmail has really been a dog lately so this sounds worth looking at

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Post by rldjbpin »

how about not using the web client and switching to a desktop/mobile one and importing your account there? it creates a standard experience across providers.

regardless if you aim to switch to a self-hosted one, it might look like this anyway.

switching emails is as annoying as changing phone numbers as you need to update it across everything in your life, digital or otherwise.

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Post by thisislife2 »

Kinrany wrote: post #839
thisislife2 wrote: post #789

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The comment I was replying to was wondering why people installed apps to read email instead of using the browser based clients. So I don't understand your point ...?

You can have a copy of your emails for offline use in your browser. Less so as a reliable backup.

To be clear, a "Web UI" usually refers to a desktop or mobile application whose user-interface is built with web technology (HTML, CSS, JS etc.) that is rendered using a webview component in the application. You don't refer to a website (even if it is a web-based application like GMail) as "Web UI". It is still called a website. And while you are right that browsers today can store data for offline use, nobody considers it good enough for a backup.

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Post by thibaut_barrere »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #814
thibaut_barrere wrote: post #692

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I started migrating to FastMail years ago, but never got to switch in full yet, because in my case with a public email address, the level of unhandled spam is too high. Did you meet that issue?

Nope. The spam filtering works fantastically for me. They might’ve improved it - I migrated only a few months ago. So it could be worth another try.

Thanks!

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Post by tommica »

JoeBOFH wrote: post #277
tommica wrote: post #230

I still use gmail, and so far only a few spam messages have gone through. They really built a solid system, but the web ui is just not a good experience, so thank god for thunderbird too.

Really? Because I have 4 Gmail accounts, all from the days of 100 invites. Two have been used publicly in systems, etc the other two have never been input into a system. I have equal amounts of spam hitting the inbox in all of them. It’s better then say outlook.com but not much.

I have 6 accounts, and no, not really any spam - ton of newsletters but that is because of me having accounts in those systems.

My spam folders do have a ton of spam, so clearly it is working at least for me.

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