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Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by iamalizard » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 12:24 PM UTC

unscaled wrote: post #93

jdw64 wrote: post #67

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My country is always like this. I think it's a problem unique to East Asian countries—following orders obediently. I read the link you shared, and it seems similar.

That's interesting. I didn't know any other country in East Asia that showed this level of restrictive policy that sets up a cascade of problematic tooling and technologies. Japanese Internet was pretty bad in the 2010s, but this was all self-inflicted done by the private sector. The government had very little do with it. And even then, ActiveX controls were very rare. My main pain point with online banking was ugly…

The paper card 2FA seems better than SMS 2FA or an app 2FA if you're relatively sure your physical security is good.

The card shouldn't cost money or could cost 50 yen which would be more than enough to cover printing it.

You're not vulnerable to SMS interception or phone malware. You're also not forced into Google's or Apple's walled gardens.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by iamnothere » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 12:41 PM UTC

js8 wrote: post #68

iamnothere wrote: post #9

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Traditional labels are becoming useless anyway, liberal can mean anything from libertarian free market enjoyer to radical progressive depending on who you are talking to. And I am talking about self-identified labels! You also have many right wingers (internationally) moving towards things like industrial policy, subsidies, and a populist labor focus (coupled with anti-immigration rhetoric of course). In some cases,…

The labels are not useless, they represent certain values and disagreements over how society should be governed. Of course, each of the values has a failure mode, but they are different. The values are: - Right-wing, conservative, authoritarian - society should be governed by elites, conflict should be resolved by submission to authority - Left-wing, socialist, democratic - society should be governed by equal peers,…

This is the traditional view, I’m saying it’s becoming useless because ordinary people don’t make these distinctions and the labels have become useless for communication and understanding. All politics is becoming syncretic/heterodox and terms like “liberal” have been stretched to meaninglessness. The labels that political science uses no longer map to reality in a useful way. Maybe we need new labels.

I think this is also why the term “right-wing” has been misapplied to anyone who challenges the status quo, regardless of their other political positions or their nominal political orientation. Things are bad when literal Communists can be labeled “right-wing” because of their position on some issue. (Yes I have seen this happen.)

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by iamnothere » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 12:51 PM UTC

mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #126

Gigachad wrote: post #46

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That's pretty much the present today. Tbh I'm fine with the public internet just dying off at this point and people going back to their local smaller scale groups.

I'd prefer the 2011/2012 era before mass moderation was possible and before people began policing for "toxicity". We still had the culture and vestiges of freedom of the old web, alongside with the network effect of millions of "normal" people joining in the conversation through their iphones

That’s pre-SOPA, pre-Snowden, when the internet could still organize to fight (and win) political battles. There’s a reason the internet has become a battleground since then.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by js8 » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 1:28 PM UTC

yonaguska wrote: post #122

jibal wrote: post #65

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Indeed. Aside from being extraordinarily intellectually lazy, bothsidesing actually enables corruption by failing to identify it, or failing to distinguish degrees of corruption that are so severe as to be more differences in kind than differences in degree. And thus in the U.S. we get Trump and his entire cabinet, Clarence Thomas and the rest of the Federalist Society, the Kochs, money pouring into elections via Cit…

It's not intellectually lazy, it's being intellectually tired. Both parties only every get anything done in this country when it comes to voting to restrict our rights. Ideologically, I'm slightly right leaning. My primary value is individual rights are more important. But if I could, I would vote for Ron Wyden(D) despite the fact that I disagree with many of his positions, he's still one of the few that has a spine…

I can understand it's tiring. But, as someone who was born in totalitarian regime - you still have plenty opportunities to change things in the U.S. Many U.S. states have direct democracy, which is unique in vast majority of the world. You still have free media. You can influence primaries of the two parties.

I don't think people are "protest" voting. You're the one protest voting - by not voting at all. You should ask yourself, why they bother, when you do not.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by iamnothere » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 2:24 PM UTC

js8 wrote: post #134

yonaguska wrote: post #122

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It's not intellectually lazy, it's being intellectually tired. Both parties only every get anything done in this country when it comes to voting to restrict our rights. Ideologically, I'm slightly right leaning. My primary value is individual rights are more important. But if I could, I would vote for Ron Wyden(D) despite the fact that I disagree with many of his positions, he's still one of the few that has a spine…

I can understand it's tiring. But, as someone who was born in totalitarian regime - you still have plenty opportunities to change things in the U.S. Many U.S. states have direct democracy, which is unique in vast majority of the world. You still have free media. You can influence primaries of the two parties. I don't think people are "protest" voting. You're the one protest voting - by not voting at all. You should a…

The system does not allow good candidates to make it through to a vote. (When it does, they are quickly either ejected or “brought in” to the system.)

There are other, more effective ways to vote than at the ballot box. Money, time, voice (depending on your reach), protest, direct action can all have a greater impact.

IMHO building parallel systems is the most important thing right now, as the primary political system is entering a period of crisis that it may not survive. Parallel systems, especially strong local systems, have a long and successful history.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by SV_BubbleTime » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 2:32 PM UTC

rfrey wrote: post #37

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #24

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So what accounts for the current state of the USA? Not exactly platonic ideals of courage these days.

USA has no issues with courage.

We have individual resistance to police state actions all the time.

We have other issues, but individualism and people willing to go to bat for enlightenment principles is not one of them.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by ChrisRR » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 3:00 PM UTC

jdw64 wrote: post #49

The problem is that using an AI censorship tool requires purchasing a solution from a specific vendor. And the deadline is effectively less than a month. There’s nothing particularly unusual about this—South Korea especially has many IT zombie companies that sustain themselves through government contracts. In practice, there’s a local CMS structure in place, and Korean programmers, who are generally weak in English,…

The problem is that it's a fundamentally stupid idea

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by renoir » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 6:32 PM UTC

Huh, their internet forums look like Hacker News or such old-time sites rather than modern apps like Reddit or something. In terms of UI UX and use of web tech. Surprised these have like 20% population of country as visitors.

I wonder if it’s their language that made them stick with older forum style rather than English speaking world’s apps?

I like their way more.

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by comex » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 6:53 PM UTC

AYBABTME wrote: post #98

unscaled wrote: post #88

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I don't think it's a dystopia. Hanlon's razor still applies. But I beg to differ on your classification of North Korean policies as "lightweight". Korean internet policies usually mandate a very specific technology (like SEED, or apparently this new model now) and weave a web of highly-detailed, Korea-specific regulations that end up creating a monopoly or oligopoly of objectively inferior and highly insecure softwar…

I wrote "lightweight polices" not policies. The police presents itself as benign looking in a public context. Enforcement of day to day offences is done mechanically by machines. A state trooper doesn't stop you on a speed check with his hand on his gun. Yes, online policies are wild and not lightweight at all.

(Just FYI, polices is not a noun. The plural of police is police.)

Re: South Korean forums will need to scan every images with AI censorship tools

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Post by redsocksfan45 » Fri, Jun 05, 2026, 7:29 PM UTC

jdw64 wrote: post #49

The problem is that using an AI censorship tool requires purchasing a solution from a specific vendor. And the deadline is effectively less than a month. There’s nothing particularly unusual about this—South Korea especially has many IT zombie companies that sustain themselves through government contracts. In practice, there’s a local CMS structure in place, and Korean programmers, who are generally weak in English,…

> South Korea was the first country in the world to implement an internet censorship law. There is a historical record of censorship, regardless of which administration—left or right—was in power.

South Korea has spent a large portion of its history under military dictatorships (yes, South Korea) and while the last generation or so has known democracy, its been shakey. This this kind of national background, when liberties are abridged it probably doesn't seem like a huge departure from the norm.