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Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Post by cm2012 »

toasty228 wrote: post #54
cm2012 wrote: post #43

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Weight gain has basically happened across the whole developed world because cost per calorie has gotten so low that people just eat more calories on average. This is why semi-glutides are the first thing ever to reduce weight gain and actually make people lose weight because they encourage reduced consumption. Don't need ultra-processed food to be unhealthy. Rich guys in the 1800s would get fat and get gout and all t…

Yeah right... so obesity, diabetes, etc. skyrocketed in the US from the mid 80s because before the 80s americans were calorie constrained ? Really ? We're talking 1980s, not 1880s by the way

Yes not gonna pull it but there's data that shows calories got meaningfully cheaper and easier to access in the United States and more plentiful from the 1980s to the 2020s.

Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Post by jsharpe »

toasty228 wrote: post #33
mjdv wrote: post #19

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> eat food, mostly plants, not too much. If the state of physics was "stuff falls, heat sticks around, light goes fast" I think it'd be fair to describe that as "abysmal".

Something being simple doesn't mean it's incomplete or wrong. Health/nutrition is a spectrum but no one will tell you to eat a bag of chips a day and rinse your mouth with coke

Of course it's incomplete. Any explanation of nutrition that doesn't include mention of at least calories, macronutrients and micronutrients isn't useful for understanding what's actually going on or being able to make an effective nutrition plan.

Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Post by toasty228 »

breezybottom wrote: post #57
toasty228 wrote: post #27

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> Ultra-processed is a meaningless word used to get media attention. Yes, and cigarettes cure cancer amirite ? We all know what they mean by ultra processed food, it's 75% of your supermarkets. 45% of the US is obese, the rest is overweight, food is one of the main factor in the top 2 leading causes of death in the US, if you can't see the problem you're blind There is a very good definition on wikipedia btw, and yes…

>We all know what they mean by ultra processed food Very scientific!

Open wikipedia, or literally any study on the topic... we're on a tech related shit posting forum, not in a peer reviewed paper lmao

Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Post by JButtermilk »

shrubby wrote: post #7
AngryData wrote: post #4

And this is different from all other marketing how? If tobacco style marketing is a problem that needs to be solved, then 95% of marketing needs to be banned.

Bill Hicks had a good advice to the marketing guys: "kill yourself" so I you're onto something here!

I think marketing is fine until it turns into lies. Reaching people to sell them your product should not be an issue. That, with misrepresentation and misleading claims is an issue.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

cm2012 wrote: post #20
shrubby wrote: post #7

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Bill Hicks had a good advice to the marketing guys: "kill yourself" so I you're onto something here!

I know its just a joke, but Bill Hicks also constantly marketed himself and branded himself as an anti-marketing comedian. In his mind it was okay to promote yourself as a comedian but not promote your own business.

he's a comedian; his entire job is standing up in front of people and saying shit and having a message. thats... the point.

it's not nameless widgets or whitelabel switches where you can just ignore it.

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bandofthehawk wrote: post #52
cm2012 wrote: post #31

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Tobacco is an addictive product that on average hurts the people who use it as a negative utility. Almost every other product people buy has a positive utility. Tobacco, along with other drugs, is uniquely bad.

> Tobacco, along with other drugs, is uniquely bad. How can it be "uniquely bad" if it's "along with other drugs"?

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Post by mapotofu »

nubinetwork wrote: post #32
breezybottom wrote: post #6

Ultra-processed is a meaningless word used to get media attention. The state of nutrition science is abysmal.

I've heard people say that even bread is ultra processed... I guess we're supposed to go back to eating twigs and berries.

You could make your own bread so you know what is in it, and how much should be in it, and that way you’d know the difference, and probably be better off knowing you don’t have to forage twigs and berries, or be so dramatic…

Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Post by wossab »

seethishat wrote: post #53

The newer synthetic nicotine pouches (Zyn, On, Velo) are everywhere in the USA and are being used by kids as young as 13. They are ruining the gut health of an entire generation of kids. Edit: Both boys and girls are dependent on these things now and they seem socially acceptable (no smoke, no spit, just swallow the chemical nicotine). Get ready for a huge wave of GI problems due to this.

And teeth. This stuff will do nasty things to your gums. And receded gums never recover.

Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Post by harimau777 »

breezybottom wrote: post #57
toasty228 wrote: post #27

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> Ultra-processed is a meaningless word used to get media attention. Yes, and cigarettes cure cancer amirite ? We all know what they mean by ultra processed food, it's 75% of your supermarkets. 45% of the US is obese, the rest is overweight, food is one of the main factor in the top 2 leading causes of death in the US, if you can't see the problem you're blind There is a very good definition on wikipedia btw, and yes…

>We all know what they mean by ultra processed food Very scientific!

This may shock you, but Hacker News isn't a scientific journal. The focus is on communicating useful information and being understood, not necessarily scientific rigorous terminology.

Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Post by cm2012 »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #65
cm2012 wrote: post #20

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I know its just a joke, but Bill Hicks also constantly marketed himself and branded himself as an anti-marketing comedian. In his mind it was okay to promote yourself as a comedian but not promote your own business.

he's a comedian; his entire job is standing up in front of people and saying shit and having a message. thats... the point. it's not nameless widgets or whitelabel switches where you can just ignore it.

I promised you every single individual business could say the same thing. No product has any value if people don't know about it.
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