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When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Post by ariwilson »

airstrike wrote: post #112
f311a wrote: post #88

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Infrastructure is a much harder problem. They can't even improve Claude Code, which eats 1GB+ of RAM. Meanwhile, my editor only consumes 80MB of RAM.

This might explain it, in the opposite way it was meant to: https://fxtwitter.com/trq212/status/2014051501786931427 > Most people's mental model of Claude Code is that "it's just a TUI" but it should really be closer to "a small game engine".

Maybe Claude is operating at a higher, self-improving level than all of us poor HN commenters. Wasting the local machine's resources to look pretty is a plausibly deniable way to make the Claude Code FE unusable with local LLMs, starving the competition.

Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Post by wyager »

ivraatiems wrote: post #466

Whether or not Anthropic is right about what AI can accomplish, whether these performance gains are real or not, their moral stance here is absolutely hideous to me. "We must blast forwards into making this dangerous thing because if we don't, someone else surely will," is a coward's argument. If you believe it is dangerous, you should be dedicating yourself to STOPPING others from making it, not making it first! The…

> If you believe it is dangerous, you should be dedicating yourself to STOPPING others from making it

I don't think anyone has been more successful in promulgating AI safety

There are groups like MIRI who tried what you're sugesting, where they make no AI and just push for AI regs, and they have been relatively much less successful

Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Post by sonupundir »

pizlonator wrote: post #295
wild_egg wrote: post #289

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What does a breakthrough look like?

Some examples: - The first web browser - the first web browser with images - typescript - react - rust - Fil-C - doom - quake - the anamorphic VM, and its follow-ups like HotSpot, and even competitors/copycats like J9, V8, JSC, etc - Fortnite battle royale - Roblox - thefacebook - ChatGPT - Claude code I know that’s quite a range and that’s intentional. Anyway, I think we’ll know it when we see it.

- Completing the full CL implementation of Emacs or better still finish Lem.

- Complete GuileMacs, the Guile implementation of Emacs. As AI is supposedly much more capable than Humans, it would be great if the above mentioned implementations are even more efficient and feature rich than Emacs!

- Something like Android (maybe even a clone?) with the Java Layer removed and replaced with CL and with Linux kernel still intact. Basically CL over Linux as opposed to the Java over Linux in Android.

- For fun, an implementation of the Lisp machines' OS with Lisp all the way down though Assembly is allowed for critical pieces. It should be a full blown modern Desktop with equivalents of what users expect from a modern OS ...

Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Post by lovecg »

bdamm wrote: post #326
pizlonator wrote: post #313

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Yeah. To play devils advocate, computers didn’t translate to massive productivity gains until long after businesses adopted them. There was that quote from ’87: "you can see the computer age everywhere but in the productivity statistics" Maybe we’re seeing something like that right now with AI? Who knows man

This is absolutely the right vision imo. Personally, I'm seeing massive improvements to my workflow and the quality of the product I'm shipping. I'm using AI to crank out far more tests than I used to be able to write, and I am using AI to analyze results with far more fidelity and speed than I could ever have done myself. That means I have more quality time. But this will change, because the meaning of software deve…

Perhaps it’s a generational change? People who grew up with computers went on to be more productive with them, something like that might happen with AI too.

Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Post by danparsonson »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #225
malfist wrote: post #104

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One of my co-workers just asked me to review his pull request that was all AI generated. 600 files were touched, over 40k lines of code added. I'm sure he thought that was a crowning achievement, proof that AI can enable 10X developers, after all, what engineer could write 40k lines of code in a week? I declined to review it, stating that I couldn't possibly vet 40k lines of code, and wouldn't put my reputation on th…

I declined to review it, stating that I couldn't possibly vet 40k lines of code Gee, that sounds like a job for Claude if there ever was one.

And how would you verify that the review was accurate?

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Post by icepush »

throwway120385 wrote: post #358
mapBasketWand wrote: post #333

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I love the idea of installing high resolution cameras in the fridge to monitor the ice maker to feed into a vision model that renders digital ice to the exact position of the real ice on the fridge’s giant screen

Or you could... open the door and look inside.

Put a servo on the door and a camera on the front. Train a vision model to recognize when your eyes are looking at the door and automatically open it for you.

Another camera inside will detect when you are done and close it.

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Post by irishcoffee »

mapBasketWand wrote: post #333
Aperocky wrote: post #249

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It's product bloat. It's not recognizing that they are just one building block that should do one thing well, like tmux. You don't need a computer display on your fridge for the same reason, but Anthropic think you do. You should see virtual ice getting created and they should correspond to the actual ice behind the door - think of how amazing that is! And it's not even completely a bad idea. make it claude-code-reac…

I love the idea of installing high resolution cameras in the fridge to monitor the ice maker to feed into a vision model that renders digital ice to the exact position of the real ice on the fridge’s giant screen

You mean like… a transparent door? Is that the joke?

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Post by airstrike »

agumonkey wrote: post #285
airstrike wrote: post #112

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This might explain it, in the opposite way it was meant to: https://fxtwitter.com/trq212/status/2014051501786931427 > Most people's mental model of Claude Code is that "it's just a TUI" but it should really be closer to "a small game engine".

this allows for comfortable ergonomics IMO not that it could be leaner for sure but i get the reasoning behind the tui rendering layer

comfortable ergonomics? you can't scroll up more than 50 lines before it starts to garble up text

i'd be ashamed of publishing software with this level of polish as a solo dev, let alone as the hottest multibillion startup on the planet

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Post by b65e8bee43c2ed0 »

vblanco wrote: post #7

Another article about how anthropic wants to ban everyone except themselves and destroy opensource and chinese AIs.

Gell-Mann amnesia expressed by people when a corporation says something they like is both baffling and disheartening to see.

Altman, Amodei, and the rest of them are anthropomorphic grease. their personal wealth is tied to the value of their respective companies. everything they say and do is self-serving.

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