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When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Post by overgard »

asdfman123 wrote: post #259
overgard wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you think LLMs are the horse (I don't think they are). If they're not, then we should be building a brick wall in front of that door and hiring a full time security guard to watch it. I realize he's saying it for hype, but if the CEO of the company goes around talking about how scared he is of what they're creating, hey, lets just take Dario at his word and put in some strict regulation. He won't mind if they…

Right now the S&P 500 is going wild due to the promise of AI automating everything. Who is the "we" who is going to shut it down? Certainly not the US government. Nor the Chinese government w.r.t. their tech industry. Are you going to start the insurgency? Is there going to be an equivalent one in every developed part of the world?

Look at how many data center projects are getting shut down by grassroots movements, or how the approval rating for AI is like worse than congress and it's geeting booed at commencement speeches. I don't need to start an insurgency, people are already pissed off and the volume is growing.

The stock boost is, as most will note, a bubble. It will enrich a lot of bad people and leave average people holding the bag, but its not going to go on forever.

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Post by pizlonator »

What I can’t get over is that there have been exactly zero software breakthroughs since vibe coding started, other than vibe coding itself.

Claude is amazing, that’s true.

But if it was as amazing as this article implies, I’d expect some breakthrough outside of AI itself.

Rewriting a Zig program in unsafe Rust? Not a breakthrough. Finding a bunch of security vulns? Maybe that’s sort of a breakthrough though it’s underwhelming and possibly just a net negative. But like if I rolled back to using software from 2023 then life would be ok.

Maybe we just need to give it time, and sometime real soon, we will all be amazed by such a breakthrough? Who knows

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Post by NichoPaolucci »

llbbdd wrote: post #170
matthewdgreen wrote: post #92

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The messed up scrolling behavior I keep getting in Claude Code is definitely due to their code.

There is a setting that fixes this, I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head

This concept is so funny to me. Would love a toggle switch...

"Oh yeah, just go to Settings > Bugs Enabled and turn OFF text display errors"

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Post by agumonkey »

airstrike wrote: post #112
f311a wrote: post #88

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Infrastructure is a much harder problem. They can't even improve Claude Code, which eats 1GB+ of RAM. Meanwhile, my editor only consumes 80MB of RAM.

This might explain it, in the opposite way it was meant to: https://fxtwitter.com/trq212/status/2014051501786931427 > Most people's mental model of Claude Code is that "it's just a TUI" but it should really be closer to "a small game engine".

this allows for comfortable ergonomics IMO

not that it could be leaner for sure but i get the reasoning behind the tui rendering layer

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Post by abletonlive »

f311a wrote: post #88
aleqs wrote: post #40

Okay, so anthropic has amazing AI which supposedly writes most of their code and can continuously improve... meanwhile they have outages on a regular basis, and any kind of long-running work will now consistently hit 'API Error: Server is temporarily limiting requests'. Not sure of this is intentional to force a reduction of token usage, but at this point I need to build around these throttling limits and outages wit…

Infrastructure is a much harder problem. They can't even improve Claude Code, which eats 1GB+ of RAM. Meanwhile, my editor only consumes 80MB of RAM.

> which eats 1GB+ of RAM. Meanwhile, my editor only consumes 80MB of RAM

And why are you comparing Claude Code to your editor?

> They can't even improve Claude Code

That depends on how you define "improve". They've added a ton of features to it over time. Who said minimizing RAM usage was something they are prioritizing right now?

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Post by Jtarii »

jrflo wrote: post #97
robbrown451 wrote: post #86

Do code harnesses that build themselves count as recursive self improvement, or does it need to be the AI itself to qualify for the term? I always was fascinated (obsessed?) by robots that build robots, or even things like this that can contribute a lot to making the next version of itself: https://buildyourcnc.com/products/cnc-machine-blacktoe-v4-2x... (cnc router that cuts plywood, and is made out of cnc-router cut…

I think harnesses would count, AI != LLMs. Any piece of code that helps the computer reason for itself is AI, the harnesses are AI in a sense.

People are specifically talking about the engine itself and not the tools used.

We wouldn't call humans creating a calculator "recursive self improvement".

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Post by patcon »

aleqs wrote: post #40

Okay, so anthropic has amazing AI which supposedly writes most of their code and can continuously improve... meanwhile they have outages on a regular basis, and any kind of long-running work will now consistently hit 'API Error: Server is temporarily limiting requests'. Not sure of this is intentional to force a reduction of token usage, but at this point I need to build around these throttling limits and outages wit…

Not necessarily the parent's fault, but the energy of this thread is not my favourite...

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Post by wild_egg »

pizlonator wrote: post #282

What I can’t get over is that there have been exactly zero software breakthroughs since vibe coding started, other than vibe coding itself. Claude is amazing, that’s true. But if it was as amazing as this article implies, I’d expect some breakthrough outside of AI itself. Rewriting a Zig program in unsafe Rust? Not a breakthrough. Finding a bunch of security vulns? Maybe that’s sort of a breakthrough though it’s unde…

What does a breakthrough look like?

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Post by ux266478 »

javcasas wrote: post #203
munificent wrote: post #197

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As someone who maintains a roguelike with a terminal-like UI that: 1. Maintains an internal representation of what the game thinks is on screen. 2. Runs the game for one frame which updates that representation. 3. Generates a diff to see how that differs from what's actually on screen. 4. Executes the minimum set of draw calls to get the screen to match the internal representation. It's really not that hard. It's a f…

Sure. For a videogame. > -> rasterizes them to a 2d screen Also you forgot "render to a framebuffer, then parse the framebuffer back to chars". Anyway, I'm off to construct the new `ls` command. It will render the list of files to a mesh of billions of polygons in a GPU with advanced shaders, 16x oversampling, HDR and all the graphic acronyms I don't understand, then read the resulting image, find the nearest charact…

Could be improved. Encode the image to webp with high compression settings and handle the ASCII mapping by spinning up a local LLM to do OCR on it. Individually. For each cell.
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