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MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by yks »

gyomu wrote: post #338
GeekyBear wrote: post #96

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Dell has just announced an 8 Gig of RAM version of their XPS laptop and the PR surrounding the launch is pretty funny. > "Apple's MacBook Neo is a capable machine, and its arrival confirms that there's real appetite for premium quality at accessible prices," said Dell. Who could have known that people wanted quality AND affordability?

> Who could have known that people wanted quality AND affordability? If you have spent any time in those gigantic corporations, you know that there is effectively no one there who can actually speak sense and effect change. No one can say "our laptops are too crappy and too expensive, let's fix it" and actually make it happen. The people in the marketing department who wrote "Apple's MacBook Neo is a capable machine,…

> won't even be at Dell 18 months from now as they chase the next step in their career

* as they get laid off

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Post by HatchedLake721 »

MYEUHD wrote: post #476
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #348

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It’s not this websites thinking, it’s every tech person’s thinking. Apple is an example of great consumer focus vs tech requests of “but I want to run Kubernetes on my iPad it’s powerful enough”. That’s thanks to Steve Jobs. iPhone was a #1 smartphone for a decade without ever mentioning the RAM or CPU MHz in the announcements or marketing material. Even if there was less RAM or worse specs than the Snapdragon at the…

> Even if there was less RAM or worse specs than the Snapdragon at the time, iPhone was still faster and sold more. iPhone had worse display for a _very_ long time. The Galaxy S1 had an OLED display. It took Apple 7 years to introduce that technology in their premium lineup, and 10 years to introduce it to their regular lineup.

You make my point

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Post by leokennis »

happymellon wrote: post #490
RZelaya wrote: post #50

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Once the Apple Silicon Macs came out, I converted my whole family from PC to Mac because the price to performance finally made sense. I'm the resident tech support for my family and some friends, so having them all playing in the Mac ecosystem made it way easier. My mom's fiance had a $3,000 Windows laptop for doing video editing. And I convinced him to get a $600 base M1 Mac Mini when they were new and he has never…

There was another article, I think it was the Dell making a MacBook Neo competitor, but it came up about second hand Macs not costing a lot now either. Presumably because the Neo sets a new low price boundary, used M1s Macbook Airs are only a couple of hundred pounds. For a system that is still really competitive.

I bought my parents a M1 iMac in 2021. Connected a drive to it for Time Machine. Set up an admin account and wrote its password on a sticky note. Set up auto update. Gave a 5 minute instruction.

I haven’t had to look at it for 5 years now. It’s still 200% more powerful than what they need.

As a “power user” Apple’s recent output has been frustrating. But for casual users it’s an unbeatable ecosystem.

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Post by danaris »

andriy_koval wrote: post #481
juancn wrote: post #24

I ended up getting two (one for each of my daughters). The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. It really just works. They have used Windows and Linux before (my kids and wife, that is), but something is always not quite right and needs my involvement. These days gone 100% Mac, my interventions are usually initial setup and whenever…

> The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. > It really just works. chromebooks likely need even less attention

Well, and so does a chalkboard, but if what they want is a computer...

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Post by recursive »

Hugsbox wrote: post #448
recursive wrote: post #151

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I got the RAM upgraded in my work laptop.

On very rare occasions I may do that for a user, if I happen to have extra RAM on hand from - for example - a broken machine. But by and large it's just going to be a whole machine upgrade.

I mean, I had to install it myself.

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Post by commandersaki »

annagio_ wrote: post #436
commandersaki wrote: post #170

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Sure it's not upgradable but you're completely wrong about repairability, unless you're talking about micro component repair ala Louis Rossmann, which as a whole is going the way of the Dodo.

Yes, I'm speaking of repairability of Louis Rossmann. I guess someone has to have apple care.

I mean sure if it has to do with CPU & memory & storage there's probably little you can do except replace the SoC, but it's also the least likely component to fail. Everything else is a removable module and pretty easy to replace, it's one of Apple's best repairable laptops. It'll also be a parts bucket with how much volume is sold, so genuine parts should be easy to come by on the aftermarket if you don't go through apple self repair program directly.

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Post by cromka »

static_motion wrote: post #336
cromka wrote: post #316

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> It wouldn't be fair to compare it to something that starts at $1000. But that's my point: first-gen M1 Air is still available and costs 600 USD.

You're right, I skimmed over the latter part of your comment. I don't know about your claim that M1/M2 will outperform Wildcat Lake in performance and battery life though, do we know specific figures to be able to say that for sure?

M1/M2 matches Panther lake i5 chips in performance and still excels at efficiency. Hard to imagine Wildcat can do anything extra here.

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Post by trimethylpurine »

thewebguyd wrote: post #464
trimethylpurine wrote: post #439

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These are new. The Macs are faster if you use regular Windows out of the box with all the bloat. But that's not what businesses do. Put any kind of security software on the Mac and remove the bloat from Windows (normal for enterprises), and the Windows machines are faster. You can blame the security software if you like, but you have to have it to carry insurance. And you have to have it to make a fair comparison any…

Which security software matters greatly. If its poorly optimized, and doesn't use Apple's framework it's going to perform terribly (SentinelOne is notorious for this) , and by default with smb on mac it will scan every single file modification over the network. If you're working with huge files over smb you have to disable packet signing, make sure the mac isn't writing and looking for .DS_Store, and make sure direct…

Which security software do you recommend?

I'm going to run your recommendations through some research tomorrow. It would be so cool if we can get local file sharing to work, even Mac to Mac would be amazing.

We have directories with 30k+ large images and video content that we need to share. Macs can't open them.

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Post by msisk6 »

Kirby64 wrote: post #377
msisk6 wrote: post #370

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I work for a little company called Boeing and all our PCs (desktops and laptops) are Dell and our IT center will upgrade SSD, memory, and even do repairs like swapping out motherboards. Probably helps the IT center folks are actually employees of Dell and this service is part of the deal Boeing has with Dell. Lots of big companies have similar deals with their hardware vendors.

Interesting. I’ve worked for company’s that were all Dell shops as well and were similarly large and they had no such deal. You got whatever PC was available (like two options, one large and one small) and no choice beyond that. If you were special and could adequately plead your case, you maybe got a desktop for the extra RAM which was special order. Why would you even want a SSD or memory upgrade? By the time you’r…

A month or so back I was hanging out at the IT center waiting for my laptop to be re-imaged (my Windows bootloader went "missing or invalid") when an engineer brought his laptop in to be upgraded from 16GB to 32GB. The IT tech took it in the back, did the job, and brought it back out in about 10 minutes.

I think part of the problem is all our laptops have smart card slots on them, and that limits the available options.

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Post by shaunkoh »

baq wrote: post #263
whateverboat wrote: post #179

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I'm probably one of the few people who prefer Linux+KDE stack over macbook software ecosystem. But hardware wise, macbooks are just blowing other laptops out of water after M3-M4. It's not that mac have become much better but that the rest of the lapto pindustry has just gone to shit: 1. Windows pulling more and more shenanigans 2. Normal laptop hardware becoming as pricey as Mac. I could get much better performance…

Indeed there aren’t many of us, but macOS is easily the worst part of the Mac experience, and worryingly it’s getting comparatively worse vs kde or even gnome each year. ‘It’s POSIX’ doesn’t cut it when I deploy to Linux and I work in containers all day anyway (and wsl is better than macOS at this, too, but the rest of windows went downhill real bad recently). The problem is even before the rampocalypse it just wasn’…

FWIW I run real linux VMs on my Mac with Lima. Only limitation is that it can’t use the GPU. Otherwise works great for me. Is WSL functionally equivalent?
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