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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by runtime_terror »

burcs wrote: post #201
runtime_terror wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dashboard UX has improved a lot lately but one thing that drives me absolutely nuts is that I get rate limited all the time using it. For example, I had to recently change an env var we had on a handful of apps and opened them all into new tabs and made the changes and about half way through I started getting rate limited. This has happened to me many times and I've reported it to support and in Discord but it st…

yeah you should definitely not be getting rate limited, sorry this is annoying you're not the first to report i will dig in. as far as support, i know there is a huge effort going on right now to improve response time and support in general, also I'm not as active in discord as I ought to be there's just so much noise, feel free to ping me on there directly if I can help brandon/@ygwyg. can't promise it'll be an inst…

You'd be forever my hero if you solve the rate limiting thing! One time I couldn't fix a production issue because I opened too many tabs.

Thanks Brandon!

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Post by rglover »

burcs wrote: post #137
olingern wrote: post #98

These acquisition announcements always leave me uneasy. There’s a lot of hand waving, “nothing will change and our roadmap will stay the same!” but we can all do basic math and understand that’s not how business works. As an aside, I have to use Cloudlare at work and it’s a pretty awful experience for the medium sized org I’m at. “Hostile UX” is a common complaint. Maybe they should invest money in competing with Ver…

sorry to hear that's been your experience. i actually joined through an acquisition about a year ago and one of the main things we've been focused on is the dashboard and overall dx. sadly "hostile ux" is a phrase i've heard more than once and we're working hard to improve. if you're open to it, would love to hear more about the issues you've be running into

Thank you for saying this and being willing to listen.

The worst one I saw is the load balancer config UX/DX. I use CF's load balancer product for clients and so have to do a lot of setup and teardown back-and-forth. Everything related to setting up load balancers is split across multiple screens and/or "wizards" that are extremely confusing.

A lot of the error messages you get are generic at best and so you waste a ton of time clicking between pages and tabs just to set up some pools and attach them to a load balancer.

There's also some inconsistency between how things are labeled, so one thing can have two names and you have to hold that in your head while you move around the UI.

Email in profile if you'd like to chat further.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by arjie »

yuppiepuppie wrote: post #113
stackskipton wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is investors are getting a good return on investment so they are probably pretty happy.

They've raised over $16 million [0]. For a decent 3-5x return for that, they would need to have been acquired for around ~$50 million. For a team of 19 [1], thats around $2.5 million per employee for Cloudflare. Worth it? no idea [0] https://voidzero.dev/posts/announcing-series-a [1] https://voidzero.dev/about

They will easily have exceeded $50m.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by pjmlp »

sophacles wrote: post #198
seanclayton wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vite isn't a product. It's a tool. It will be succeeded if necessary. It happened to Webpack after Microsoft hired the creator, and the JS community pivoted hard. Bundlers and compilers in the JS world happen once a decade it appears.

I was at the hardware store this morning. I bought a hammer. It sure seemed like a product... with the whole "being displayed on store shelves" and "available for purchase" thing. There were several different hammers there, bearing different branding and having different manufacturers. I don't quite get the distinction...

Did you pay for the hammer with a pull request?

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Post by mynameisvlad »

nja wrote: post #109

Unpleasantly close to when Cloudflare bought BastionZero... the promises quickly fell away, the tool decayed (I found three serious bugs in one single week...and they had stopped even bothering to publish changelogs), and Cloudflare eventually gave us a "hey, we're actually shutting this down in a month, good luck" email prompting a scramble to rewire all of our infrastructure. (Fwiw SDM ended up being a better alter…

What promises? The announcement for BastionZero was quite clear as to what would happen:

> The BastionZero team will be focused on integrating their infrastructure access controls directly into Cloudflare One. During the third and fourth quarters of this year, we will be announcing a number of new features to facilitate Zero Trust infrastructure access via Cloudflare One. All functionality delivered this year will be included in the Cloudflare One free tier for organizations with less than 50 users. We believe that everyone should have access to world-class security controls.

Did you expect them to continue running their own service when it was pretty evident their work would be integrated into CF's zero trust suite?

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Post by ericyd »

demetris wrote: post #52

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

What alternative ending do you prefer? Personally I think acquisition is preferable to dev burnout due to lack of funding and/or extractive practices from other companies.

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Post by bluelightning2k »

yuppiepuppie wrote: post #113
stackskipton wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is investors are getting a good return on investment so they are probably pretty happy.

They've raised over $16 million [0]. For a decent 3-5x return for that, they would need to have been acquired for around ~$50 million. For a team of 19 [1], thats around $2.5 million per employee for Cloudflare. Worth it? no idea [0] https://voidzero.dev/posts/announcing-series-a [1] https://voidzero.dev/about

Your linked post shows they raised 12.5 million?

But it's also possible they haven't spent much of that money.

The investors don't need to be happy. They just need to be made whole (assuming they have a minority control).

It could literally be that only $2m ever got spent and that's been paid back.

It could also be that when literally nobody said they would pay for Vite+ the investors and team in general lost confidence and were actually very happy just to get their money back and pivot into this acquisition.

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Post by olingern »

burcs wrote: post #137
olingern wrote: post #98

These acquisition announcements always leave me uneasy. There’s a lot of hand waving, “nothing will change and our roadmap will stay the same!” but we can all do basic math and understand that’s not how business works. As an aside, I have to use Cloudlare at work and it’s a pretty awful experience for the medium sized org I’m at. “Hostile UX” is a common complaint. Maybe they should invest money in competing with Ver…

sorry to hear that's been your experience. i actually joined through an acquisition about a year ago and one of the main things we've been focused on is the dashboard and overall dx. sadly "hostile ux" is a phrase i've heard more than once and we're working hard to improve. if you're open to it, would love to hear more about the issues you've be running into

The one I saw most recently was working with an SRE coworker. Data in what looks like a table, in this case a subdomain/IP address, that overflows the cell gets cut off with no ability to actually view it. I almost had him just edit the CSS in Chrome, but he figured out a different workaround.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by bluelightning2k »

The reason this is worth it to CloudFlare is it will cause AI to recommend them more.

The agents already reach for Vite. When they reach for Vite it's very logical they will default to CloudFlare after. (Much like they will guide users to setup Vercel for NextJS).

This could be a $20m acquisition which will generate $billions from the increase in the agent equivalent of SEO.

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