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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by runtime_terror »

gonzalohm wrote: post #91
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #34

Big fan of Cloudflare and a bigger fan of vite. Probably one of the best outcomes for the latter.

What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

For your first question:

- The workers platform is quite pleasant to work with compared to competitors. - Globally deploying edge workers which have access to their many services (D1, R2, DO, etc) - Having the ability to assemble globally distributed workers using bindings is dead simple - Their CI pipeline, while limited, is easy to setup and run and keeps improving - Their pricing is extremely competitive

For your second:

- That's my biggest conflict with using any service (Cloudflare, AWS, Azure, etc). Don't have a good answer with what to do about it considering for many projects I don't have the time/energy to fully self host everything.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by ipaddr »

Maiko11 wrote: post #180

All of them are getting acquired nothing bad in that but I feel like the path to revenue with open source just isn't viable anymore. You have to build your own platform like vercel, or build great dev tools like mintlify

Vercel is killing free public repos in a month. Lure then lock in and pull the rug out.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by todotask2 »

Cloudflare acquiring Astro and VoidZero was unexpected. I’ve been using Astro for a solo project, which made things easier to manage.

It also came at a time when expectations for the project were starting to increase.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by runtime_terror »

zarzavat wrote: post #121
maherbeg wrote: post #111

Very happy for them, they made excellent tools and I hope they can continue their work! I do believe though that these tools (formatting, linting etc.) should be built into the language like Go, and I really hope the Node team can just absorb the best ideas and make solid primitives that can be built on top of as the ecosystem evolves (think golang's http interfaces, or test interfaces)

It took the JS community many iterations to get to vite. Building it into the language just means you get stuck with a "good enough" solution that survives by inertia. We'd still be using webpack. I'm all for building things into the language when there's only one way to do it though.

Counter point; good enough is often... good enough

Go is the best example of this; it's boring but incredible stable and consistent

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by ipaddr »

havaloc wrote: post #99
gonzalohm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

I like how I can slap up a free Turnstile on my projects in two minutes and not have to worry about endless comment spam and user registration spam. Yes, I understand there's problems with Cloudflare, but there's also a lot of problems out there in the wild west of an open internet.

Or users being able to access the forum. Why not just host it on localhost and call it a day.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by true_religion »

Just for the record,

NPM -> Microsoft

Vite -> Cloudflare

Bun -> Anthropic

Turbopack -> Vercel

Remix -> Shopify (I barely remember this one)

Biome (formerly Rome) -> Indie but largely supported by Depot

SWC -> Indie

esBuild -> Indie

I use RsBuild/RsPack which is ByteDance supported.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

#188

Post by pier25 »

olingern wrote: post #98

These acquisition announcements always leave me uneasy. There’s a lot of hand waving, “nothing will change and our roadmap will stay the same!” but we can all do basic math and understand that’s not how business works. As an aside, I have to use Cloudlare at work and it’s a pretty awful experience for the medium sized org I’m at. “Hostile UX” is a common complaint. Maybe they should invest money in competing with Ver…

> Maybe they should invest money in competing with Vercel on UX/DX

That's exactly what they are doing.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by ipaddr »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #97
gonzalohm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

IMHO Cloudflare ensures decentralization of the Internet: It provides an alternative to AWS, Azure, and GCE which gives your little personal selfhosting box or small VPS the same level of protection the big providers have. And generally, anything you have either hosted on or proxied by Cloudflare, can be pretty trivially moved to another provider. Whereas things built on top of AWS, Azure, and GCE services tend to be…

Cloudflare ensures decentralization

How by taking out 25% of the internet when they go down?

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