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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by zarzavat »

maherbeg wrote: post #111

Very happy for them, they made excellent tools and I hope they can continue their work! I do believe though that these tools (formatting, linting etc.) should be built into the language like Go, and I really hope the Node team can just absorb the best ideas and make solid primitives that can be built on top of as the ecosystem evolves (think golang's http interfaces, or test interfaces)

It took the JS community many iterations to get to vite. Building it into the language just means you get stuck with a "good enough" solution that survives by inertia. We'd still be using webpack.

I'm all for building things into the language when there's only one way to do it though.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by zarzavat »

havaloc wrote: post #99
gonzalohm wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

I like how I can slap up a free Turnstile on my projects in two minutes and not have to worry about endless comment spam and user registration spam. Yes, I understand there's problems with Cloudflare, but there's also a lot of problems out there in the wild west of an open internet.

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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by chrisweekly »

ambicapter wrote: post #105
demetris wrote: post #52

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

> It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. What kind of things?

I'm not the one you replied to, but a typical config & plugins stack for (webpack + eslint + prettier) is nearly impossible to reason about. VoidZero's tools (Vite + oxcfmt + oxclint) are radically simpler and more performant.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by freedomben »

> Before saying anything else, we want to make the most important thing clear: Vite, Vitest, Rolldown, Oxc, and Vite+ will stay open source, vendor-agnostic, and community-driven. Nothing about that changes.

Appreciate them putting that so clearly. I am highly skeptical of acquisitions now because we've been burned so many times in the past. Time will tell if this stays true, but at least it's clearly on the record. Would love to know if this is in contract/writing somewhere as part of the acquisition.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by bossyTeacher »

demetris wrote: post #52

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

> This news does not make me happy.

It shouldn't. Big corpo buying small companies harms us all long term.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by chrisweekly »

pjmlp wrote: post #70
Sammi wrote: post #32

The question I have is: Is Vite becoming the all-in-one nodejs tool that is replacing all the other full featured js tooling favorites like Bun, Deno and pnpm?

Nope, mostly using pnpm over here.

That's orthogonal; Vite (and its ecosystem) _with_ pnpm is likely the best combination avlbl.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by stackskipton »

freedomben wrote: post #126

> Before saying anything else, we want to make the most important thing clear: Vite, Vitest, Rolldown, Oxc, and Vite+ will stay open source, vendor-agnostic, and community-driven. Nothing about that changes. Appreciate them putting that so clearly. I am highly skeptical of acquisitions now because we've been burned so many times in the past. Time will tell if this stays true, but at least it's clearly on the record.…

>Would love to know if this is in contract/writing somewhere as part of the acquisition.

Cloudflare would be insane to allow that provision in the contract or acquisition documents.

So I would take that promise as "will stay open source, blah blah blah, for now...."

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by hombre_fatal »

gonzalohm wrote: post #91
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #34

Big fan of Cloudflare and a bigger fan of vite. Probably one of the best outcomes for the latter.

What do you like about Cloudfare? Do you like the centralization of the internet?

Fundamental flaws/oversights in the internet's design led to centralization, notably zero protections against malicious actors, bots, and botnets.

Cloudflare and co offer some of the only real solutions to that.

If you snap your fingers and Cloudflare disappears, you aren't left with a decentralized wonderland but rather the status quo where $5 of booter time can take most websites offline for the lulz, and all of your human users have to compete with infinite automated AI traffic (basically an amplification attack every time someone prompts an agent and it does a web search).

So, there's a third option where you like Cloudflare's services as a solution to flaws in the internet that led to the need for these services.

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