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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by overfeed »

yuppiepuppie wrote: post #83

So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount I wonder how the initial investors feel about the aqui-hire path... Must be a pretty nice sum for them to agree to it, or they saw that the path to any revenue was near impossible/non-existant

> Must be a pretty nice sum for them to agree to it

Not necessarily: if the investors don't agree to a reasonable amount, the wanna-be acquirer will simply hire the entire team with generous sign-on bonuses, and the investors will be left with a shell of a company.

In this case, the core product is MIT-licensed, the team can quit on a Friday and pick up exactly where they left off under a new org on Monday.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by tonyoconnell »

andrewstuart wrote: post #66

Vibe coded rewrite in rust upcoming!

just wondering... do you think bun's rewrite with ai was vibe coded or engineered with ai? i know it wasn't perfect in the beginning but i think it was good engineering and what was built will make it faster and better.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by hombre_fatal »

gonzalohm wrote: post #144
hombre_fatal wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fundamental flaws/oversights in the internet's design led to centralization, notably zero protections against malicious actors, bots, and botnets. Cloudflare and co offer some of the only real solutions to that. If you snap your fingers and Cloudflare disappears, you aren't left with a decentralized wonderland but rather the status quo where $5 of booter time can take most websites offline for the lulz, and all of yo…

And then when Cloudfare decides to start exploiting all the data they have and all the services they provide for their own benefit then what

I'm responding to your non sequitur. Did you already abandon it?

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by adzm »

trollbridge wrote: post #87
demetris wrote: post #52

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

Yeah. I don't want to sound selfish, but now I need to make plans to eventually migrate off of vite.

Migrate off vite to what exactly? I just migrated a personal project to vite and it simplified the existing webpack thing drastically, I was very impressed.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by jesse_dot_id »

gonzalohm wrote: post #144
hombre_fatal wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fundamental flaws/oversights in the internet's design led to centralization, notably zero protections against malicious actors, bots, and botnets. Cloudflare and co offer some of the only real solutions to that. If you snap your fingers and Cloudflare disappears, you aren't left with a decentralized wonderland but rather the status quo where $5 of booter time can take most websites offline for the lulz, and all of yo…

And then when Cloudfare decides to start exploiting all the data they have and all the services they provide for their own benefit then what

Then I move my stuff somewhere else? I've been writing HTML since 1993. I think I've used literally hundreds of hosts at this point.

I had access to an Enterprise license in my last job, which was my introduction to Cloudflare — something like 7 years ago — and I just kind of fell in love with the DX and their offerings. It's only improved since then. Like, Cloudflare Workers is actually fucking insane. It's insane how good it is for free. It has a secret vault, dude, for free — with API and CLI. It has cron jobs. You can just assign domains to sites from your DNS zones. It's got blue/green deployments built in. I don't have to SSH into anything. It's just there and it works.

Now everything I do there is free, even for my contract projects, and I can't believe it's free. I actually keep expecting an enshittification phase to begin but it just doesn't ever begin. When it does, I'll bail — same as it ever was. It would take a lot, though.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by demetris »

ambicapter wrote: post #105
demetris wrote: post #52

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

> It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. What kind of things?

What chrisweekly said:

Configuring webpack, mostly. :-D

That’s not a dig at webpack: Those tools are super complex, and hiding complexity from the user is not easy. But it seems that with Vite we finally got there.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by azangru »

chrisweekly wrote: post #125
ambicapter wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. What kind of things?

I'm not the one you replied to, but a typical config & plugins stack for (webpack + eslint + prettier) is nearly impossible to reason about. VoidZero's tools (Vite + oxcfmt + oxclint) are radically simpler and more performant.

> a typical config & plugins stack for (webpack + eslint + prettier) is nearly impossible to reason about.

I think people just don't want to bother. They don't want to read the docs, or maybe watch a video or two (back when webpack was popular, Sean Larkin, webpack evangelist, made a number of popular courses about setting it up). Also, webpack config became easier compared to 2014/2015; I think they got to practically a zero-config by default.

I can understand that people don't want to care; but "impossible to reason about" is not it. It isn't rust, for crying out loud; nor lisp; nor haskell.

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Post by sofixa »

thethimble wrote: post #132
drewda wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many cases the acquiring company shares investors or board members with the acqui-hired entity. To put it neutrally, VC partners are treating these are parts of their same portfolios, so if one team doesn't pan out on its own, it can be merged into another with somewhat similar overall goals or markets. To put it more pointedly, it's perhaps all about who one knows and making sure that everyone gets to tell a stor…

> it's perhaps all about who one knows and making sure that everyone gets to tell a story of successful exits. No. It's all about building a great product that people love. Vite is a foundational tool in the JS ecosystem. Acquihiring the tool/team is entirely downstream from creating a foundational product.

> No. It's all about building a great product that people love. Vite is a foundational tool in the JS ecosystem.

A foundational tool in an open ecosystem doesn't mean a monetisable product. I struggle to think of even a single example of a foundational tool with a business model.

And of course, not everything needs a business model. But if you're getting VC funding, you kind of need one.

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