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Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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> You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests. If you push back against unethical feature requests: No union: you get fired Union: you still get fired

Still a better outcome than tossing your ethics overboard.

Why bother to join a union, pay dues, potentially have your career limited, and have another layer to deal with?

Just leave or be fired without the song and dance.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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maybe, but the union could provide a lot of services to someone who loses their job this way (like income insurance and legal services) and could leverage collective power over companies that demonstrate a pattern of behavior.

This is something that has just never sat well with me. How exactly will the union provide this insurance? That insurance isn't free, so paid for by member dues? How many members are required to be able to afford the payout for just one member? How about the other services unions are touted as being able to provide? They all come from the same dues? I know that unions will put money into investment funds to attempt t…

that's definitely a big question and i don't pretend to have enough expertise to answer fully; however, i will point to the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan which is (per Wikipedia[1]) "one of the world's largest institutional investors [...] over $266 billion in net assets, with a one-year total-fund net return of 9.4%, and a 7.4% 10-year total-fund net return". the union runs their own investment fund; it's an extension of collective power into the financial realm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Teachers%27_Pension_Pl...

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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maybe, but the union could provide a lot of services to someone who loses their job this way (like income insurance and legal services) and could leverage collective power over companies that demonstrate a pattern of behavior.

This is something that has just never sat well with me. How exactly will the union provide this insurance? That insurance isn't free, so paid for by member dues? How many members are required to be able to afford the payout for just one member? How about the other services unions are touted as being able to provide? They all come from the same dues? I know that unions will put money into investment funds to attempt t…

> That insurance isn't free, so paid for by member dues?

Yes, obviously. That's how every insurance works.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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i would love to have a software engineer's union, not so much to get better working conditions but to be able to say stuff like "i can't implement that unethical feature, it's against union rules and i'd lose my membership".

Start one. Unions are worker owned. You could also join the IWW.

are there examples of unions that have started around a focus on the ethics of the services they provide? unions traditionally start locally, around issues for which the locality is a hotspot, which is why they usually focus on pay and working conditions. it's also easier to get a large group to agree on a set of improvements to working conditions vs a set of ethical boundaries.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

#35

i would love to have a software engineer's union, not so much to get better working conditions but to be able to say stuff like "i can't implement that unethical feature, it's against union rules and i'd lose my membership".

To be fair; you don't need a union... you can just say no. Context; I told them they couldn't ship this exact feature as designed. (It worked until I left.)

Without the protection of a union, "just saying no" is a good way to get fired

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

#36

i would love to have a software engineer's union, not so much to get better working conditions but to be able to say stuff like "i can't implement that unethical feature, it's against union rules and i'd lose my membership".

> not so much to get better working conditions but

... why not both?

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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I guess that's why I am getting so many "Allow to find devices on your network" alerts. Good feature overall.

Only a good feature if users have a clue what that question means. Most will click "Yes" because they want to get on with whatever they want to do. Change it to something like "This website is trying to spy on your local devices, do you want to allow this?"

I honestly don't think the average Google Chrome user knows what a 'local' device is, and we should go something more ELI5 "This website wants to spy on every other device connected to your network" or something

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

#38

i would love to have a software engineer's union, not so much to get better working conditions but to be able to say stuff like "i can't implement that unethical feature, it's against union rules and i'd lose my membership".

That’s what licensing is for, not unions.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

#39

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maybe, but the union could provide a lot of services to someone who loses their job this way (like income insurance and legal services) and could leverage collective power over companies that demonstrate a pattern of behavior.

This is something that has just never sat well with me. How exactly will the union provide this insurance? That insurance isn't free, so paid for by member dues? How many members are required to be able to afford the payout for just one member? How about the other services unions are touted as being able to provide? They all come from the same dues? I know that unions will put money into investment funds to attempt t…

Simple idea: look how other unions work, and in other countries as well. The wheel has already been invented.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

#40

Chrome and Firefox have deployed / are deploying local-network-access which prompts the user when apps try this.

I just discovered that MacOS was blocking Firefox from connecting to devices on my LAN - there's per-app toggle in system settings.

Access to my router's web interface was not blocked (understandably) but this left me rather confused for a while.

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