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Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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Post by chrncirurp »

theodorejb wrote: post #17
woodrowbarlow wrote: post #7

i would love to have a software engineer's union, not so much to get better working conditions but to be able to say stuff like "i can't implement that unethical feature, it's against union rules and i'd lose my membership".

You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests.

> You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests.

If you push back against unethical feature requests:

No union: you get fired

Union: you still get fired

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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Post by theodorejb »

jakubadamw wrote: post #20
theodorejb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests.

The collective leverage of a union gives you significantly more power to do something like this.

Only if the union is against the unethical request. In some cases the union may be for it, which makes it even harder to push back.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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Post by jeffgreco »

chrncirurp wrote: post #21
theodorejb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests.

> You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests. If you push back against unethical feature requests: No union: you get fired Union: you still get fired

Still a better outcome than tossing your ethics overboard.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

chrncirurp wrote: post #21
theodorejb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests.

> You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests. If you push back against unethical feature requests: No union: you get fired Union: you still get fired

maybe, but the union could provide a lot of services to someone who loses their job this way (like income insurance and legal services) and could leverage collective power over companies that demonstrate a pattern of behavior.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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Post by dylan604 »

woodrowbarlow wrote: post #24
chrncirurp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests. If you push back against unethical feature requests: No union: you get fired Union: you still get fired

maybe, but the union could provide a lot of services to someone who loses their job this way (like income insurance and legal services) and could leverage collective power over companies that demonstrate a pattern of behavior.

This is something that has just never sat well with me. How exactly will the union provide this insurance? That insurance isn't free, so paid for by member dues? How many members are required to be able to afford the payout for just one member? How about the other services unions are touted as being able to provide? They all come from the same dues? I know that unions will put money into investment funds to attempt to grow the coffers, but that just means the money isn't liquid.

Unions are always touted as a panacea, but logically, it doesn't compute for me. They feel more like ponzi schemes than anything else.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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Post by greyface- »

actionfromafar wrote: post #19
volkercraig wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Start one. Unions are worker owned. You could also join the IWW.

Unions in the US are nerfed, by law.

Collective bargaining is nerfed. Other structures remain viable and legal.

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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Post by grayhatter »

woodrowbarlow wrote: post #7

i would love to have a software engineer's union, not so much to get better working conditions but to be able to say stuff like "i can't implement that unethical feature, it's against union rules and i'd lose my membership".

To be fair; you don't need a union... you can just say no. Context; I told them they couldn't ship this exact feature as designed. (It worked until I left.)

Re: Ask HN: So what happened to Facebook "localhost" tracking?

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Post by grayhatter »

chrncirurp wrote: post #21
theodorejb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests.

> You don't need to join a union to push back against unethical feature requests. If you push back against unethical feature requests: No union: you get fired Union: you still get fired

I didn't get fired.
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