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Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by monegator »

pjc50 wrote: post #256
monegator wrote: post #216

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And they have really good designs (after all, they are taking inspiration from the most succesful european cars. I saw the station wagon the other day, it's amazing. the octavia EV as it should be.) The problem is always going to be: what's going to happen in 10 years, or whatever, after warranty expires? The problem with vertical integration is for the customer, and it's repairs: traditional manufacturing is more ex…

I think we're going to have to accept that the EV market and technology is moving fast enough that cars behave a lot more like smartphones, or buying a computer in the 90s: one that's ten years old is going to look ridiculously dated even if it's still working fine. It's not unreasonable to estimate than in 10 years the average range will be 50% more or even double current range. I've got a leased one on order as a r…

my car is already 12 years old, but has at least 5 more under its belly. Has long paid for itself.

It would cost me considerably more to keep changing it with something i don't own and as a result always be unconfortable with (and also keep paying until the end of time).

But that's kind of beside the point: ex-lease are also being sold somewhere, nobody wants to lease an old car and nobody in their right mind will destroy a perfectly good car just because it's too old to be leased, so i think my point still stands.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by mldqj »

km3r wrote: post #198
joe_mamba wrote: post #196

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>I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. In what way are they hostile? I am also part of "the west" and they never threatened us. The west != just the USA.

Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best, or are blocked completely at worst. And not just American but any outside company.

It's a myth. It depends on what the company does.

Internet services? Yes, you need a domestic partner, because you'll disseminate information to the public.

If you're in the automobile industry, you can import cars to China. China was Porsche's largest market until 2025, and all Porsches are imported. It used to be that a Chinese partner is needed to manufacture cars in China, but Tesla did not need one, and that policy was dropped. Anyway, it's nowhere close to the complete ban the US placed on Chinese cars.

In many other industries, you can create a foreign-owned company and operate in China.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by qalmakka »

tancop wrote: post #246
qalmakka wrote: post #144

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Precisely. IBM paid them to take their fabs away (yes, they paid them, not the opposite, they were so obsolete that it was basically a waste disposal operation)

was there some regulation preventing them from just shutting the plants down and selling off the real estate and equipment? severance payments too high?

IIRC they had an agreement that Globalfoundries were to take the fabs and further develop them to shrink to better nodes. I think it was less than a "take this crap off of us" and more of a "we still need fabs, so here's some money and please continue running them for a while". GloFo then utterly failed at competing with TSMC, Samsung and Intel which was quite a problem for IBM. In general if you have a certain design you can't immediately port it to a different fab, you need to engineer it around the constraints of the fab node and process

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Post by tw1984 »

rbanffy wrote: post #359
slaw wrote: post #301

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I LOL'ed. Saab doesn't have any expertise to build modern aircraft.

An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. And, as we have seen with cheap drones, all that money spent on making great stealth aircraft has not stopped Iran from blocking access to 20% of the world’s supply of crude. So, how effective are your fifth generation fighters based on your nuclear carriers again?

> An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down.

not on its own, but by having a combined AEW&C and high performance ultra long range air to air missiles.

Europoor just doesn't have any of these.

> all that money spent on making great stealth aircraft has not stopped Iran from blocking access to 20% of the world’s supply of crude.

that doesn't change the fact that Europoor doesn't have anything. Does Europoor has such drones? or the ability to knock them out of the sky at costs lower than drone production?

to get your some further idea on the gap - Shahed 136 is estimated to cost Iran $20-50k USD each, Chinese manufacturers are quoting less than $1k USD each including fuel.

> how effective are your fifth generation fighters based on your nuclear carriers again?

you don't have to pick which one is more effective when you can build and operate both at large scale. a few carrier strike groups fitted with fifth gen fighters and drone carrier-amphibious assault ships are a pretty good combination.

feel free to google Type-076 drone carrier-amphibious assault ships.

again - Europoor doesn't have any of these, so please stop pretending to be "advanced economy", you are no longer one.

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Post by rbanffy »

slaw wrote: post #361
rbanffy wrote: post #359

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An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. And, as we have seen with cheap drones, all that money spent on making great stealth aircraft has not stopped Iran from blocking access to 20% of the world’s supply of crude. So, how effective are your fifth generation fighters based on your nuclear carriers again?

> An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. Frontal RCS of the Gripen C/D between 0.1 m2 and 1.5 m2 Frontal Radar Cross-Section (RCS) of the F-35 roughly between 0.001 m2 and 0.005 m2 Gripen is an old airframe useless in modern combat. It will be shot down from far away.

> It will be shot down from far away.

By what exactly?

The military don’t exist in a vacuum - and the equipment they need varies with mission requirements. That’s why the A-10s had its life extended: because it is a better fit than the F-35 for ground support missions. Same applies to the B-52 and the B-2.

The operational cost of the F-22 and F-35 alone make them a poor fit unless you are engaging highly sophisticated air defenses, something the US haven’t done since WWII.

The requirement to be able to neutralise American aircraft is a new one for European (and Canadian) air forces, but one that’ll be tackled.

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Post by halapro »

dangus wrote: post #278
halapro wrote: post #180

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Protectionism by who? By definition protectionism cannot kill your own country's car industry.

I’m not sure why you think protectionism (by the local government) can’t kill an industry. It happened to American steel as well: the American steel industry was “protected” while foreign steel companies innovated their production processes. The timeline goes like this: 1. Government gets pressured by industry to protect domestic industry from outside competition 2. Domestic industry stagnates as it has no reason to…

> 3. Time passes

Correct, protectionism still saved the industry for years, it did its job perfectly.

Look at the car makers in Europe, they had decades to produce affordable electric cars, even lawmakers pushed their own population to buy electric cars with timelines and incentives, and they still failed miserably. How?

Tariffs are a last-ditch effort to buy more time. If you fail to use this time effectively, you will close shop. If you don't have tariffs, you close shop today.

Europe sells gasoline shitboxes for €30K when China could easily sell EVs for €20K, Europe (and the US) already lost.

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Post by ahartmetz »

pepperoni_pizza wrote: post #211
King-Aaron wrote: post #179

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I feel that in the west we have been fed a version of China that doesn't necessarily reflect the true image of the country.

Does the true version have slave labor, reeducation camps for minorities, needing permission to travel, running protestors over with tanks, and gutter oil by any chance?

There are these things, but also that daily life does not feel very oppressive at all. Very different from Soviet Russia or the GDR.

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Post by UltraSane »

rbanffy wrote: post #375
slaw wrote: post #361

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> An aircraft doesn’t need to be modern - it needs to shot down the other before it gets shot down. Frontal RCS of the Gripen C/D between 0.1 m2 and 1.5 m2 Frontal Radar Cross-Section (RCS) of the F-35 roughly between 0.001 m2 and 0.005 m2 Gripen is an old airframe useless in modern combat. It will be shot down from far away.

> It will be shot down from far away. By what exactly? The military don’t exist in a vacuum - and the equipment they need varies with mission requirements. That’s why the A-10s had its life extended: because it is a better fit than the F-35 for ground support missions. Same applies to the B-52 and the B-2. The operational cost of the F-22 and F-35 alone make them a poor fit unless you are engaging highly sophisticate…

By what exactly?

By F35s and F22s and F47s

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

tiagod wrote: post #225
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #222

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No, the social credit system can restrict your basic freedom, including the freedom of moving, without a judge being involved. The fact you are casually talking about it is infuriating. It's like taking about the yellow star and stay "isn't it like the pins in the US".

I see, thanks for the correction. Aren't people put in ICE detention centers and offshore prisons indefinitely with no charges and no judge involved, though? Or is that OK because they aren't citizens?

I'm not American. And the discussion is about the credit score system.

We were discussing cancer, and instead of talking about it, you tried to avoid saying bad things about it and answered "isn't diabetes bad as well?".

I assume now you are a China propaganda account and will stop answering to you.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

weberer wrote: post #343
tiagod wrote: post #209

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Isn't the social credit system mostly a credit score, similar to the one implemented in the United States? As someone living in a European country without such a thing, I also find that one pretty dystopian. About the data sending, wasn't there a quite recent incident where an American car manufacturer was leaking the real-time position of all their clients' vehicles? Aren't US telecoms selling position data of their…

What country do you live in? They probably have credit records. Here in Finland you definitely do. They don't break it down into a single score, but lenders can see how many debts you've defaulted on in the past. https://www.oikeuspalveluvirasto.fi/en/financial-and-debt-co...

Not social credit score, this is something different.
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