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Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

King-Aaron wrote: post #179
epolanski wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"chinese X bad" is really ignorant. One in 6 people on the planet lives in China, it's a gargantuan country that is the world leader in manufacturing. You're going to have a high variance of quality output for the mere fact that the overall output is massive. People often equate low-value Chinese manufacturing that focuses on low cost with their manufacturing quality across all fields.

I feel that in the west we have been fed a version of China that doesn't necessarily reflect the true image of the country.

Does the true version have slave labor, reeducation camps for minorities, needing permission to travel, running protestors over with tanks, and gutter oil by any chance?

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Post by snthd »

roncesvalles wrote: post #167
gofastercloud wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the last few years Chinese manufacturing has reached a very high-level. The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is because they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills. While I reckon some other countries still have specialist manufacturing in key areas that surpasses China, most “common” parts can be…

>they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills It's more complicated than this. Historically, Chinese manufacturing has been notorious for quietly undermining the quality of the product to improve their margins over time, in a way that the commissioning brand doesn't notice. If a Chinese manufacturer quotes you a price too good to be true, th…

"Quality fade".

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quality_fade

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by mbeavitt »

veza wrote: post #200

Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking…

I really don’t understand why this social credit concept has become so widespread. It does sort of exist but not in the big government breathing down your neck kind of way.

Here’s an example - you can rent e-bikes and power banks at low cost, they are everywhere. If you don’t return an e-bike or power bank after using it, not only will that company charge you, but you’ll likely get blacklisted from renting more, even at other companies.

This is a good thing, no???

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by Terr_ »

embedding-shape wrote: post #4

> This prismatic cell is NOT a Blade, but it does share the same chemistry. Kind of surprised that the part that is perhaps the most "BYD" of the entire car, isn't actually the same cell that the BYD Blade batteries use, which was what I was most excited about seeing :(

I wonder if they simply couldn't fit it inside the scanner?

From what I can find online, the biggest blade-cell dimension is 9.6cm, but I'm having a harder time finding the size limitations for the scanners.

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Post by fooo1882992 »

dakolli wrote: post #104
King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

I'd rather own Chinese everything over American. Everything America makes is slop and corners are cut for profits so the owners of companies can own their third home and maybe a yacht. The truth is Chinese engineering quality exceeds the West in almost every domain at this point. I'd move there given the opportunity, the business owners of America are willing to poison and put the lives of their fellow citizens at ri…

Imagine glazing the country where a dozen companies were caught mixing melamine into baby formula, hospitalizing 50,000 and killing 6.

This happened in 2008 by the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

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Post by monegator »

King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

And they have really good designs (after all, they are taking inspiration from the most succesful european cars. I saw the station wagon the other day, it's amazing. the octavia EV as it should be.)

The problem is always going to be: what's going to happen in 10 years, or whatever, after warranty expires?

The problem with vertical integration is for the customer, and it's repairs: traditional manufacturing is more expensive because you have a constellation of companies manufacturing pars with official and unofficial second sources. While this increases the overall cost of the vehichle, it decreases the final price of every component because the customer (independent mechanic) can choose to use a different source. The market working as intended.

BYD is currently the only EV i would consider, because it's the best value and the engineering quality is indeed high, but because i want to own, not rent, i'm preoccupied of what's going to happen in X years.

Yes, it's the same fear we had three-four decades ago when toyota/suzuki/kia entered the european market, that bet paid off but also because cost of repairs went down over time as they were also traditional manufacturers. (Yet for some exotic components you still must go to the OEM, and pay 2-3 times the equivalent sensor/component for an european car.)

However, with vertical integration you are always at mercy of the manufacturer. Better engineering, yes. Better integration, better efficiency, but you will suffer for repairs if you can't have second sources.

Think apple. (and tesla. but tesla is shit quality)

Or john deere.

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Post by tecleandor »

hvb2 wrote: post #143
Toutouxc wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Chinese EV too, an MG4 built by SAIC. It’s a really cheap car, significantly cheaper than its non-Chinese counterparts like the VW ID.3 or (roughly) a Hyundai Kona. The factory rust protection was maybe a bit on the lighter side, but everything else on it looks completely normal. The drivetrain is simple (no heat exchange mechanism between battery coolant and motor coolant, a slightly whiny motor), but also…

Cars only show if they're well made after like a decade? These are not washing machines or something. Sadly that's also why it's hard to buy a new car, you only know what's a quality car years down the line. First impression matters though.

> Cars only show if they're well made after like a decade?

Unless you have a wet belt in your Puretech engine that will blow up in 5-8 years...

Mechanics and enthusiasts around here (Spain) call this engines "pudretech" (rot-tech)...

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Post by Netcob »

veza wrote: post #200

Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking…

That pot&kettle contest between the US and China is really heating up!

You might want to switch from "social credit" (which was a failed local project from over a decade ago) to "blacklist", or just criticize the overall surveillance system, which is pretty invasive.

I'm getting a bit tired of people posting on social media websites and then pretending they are not a part of them. "Reddit" did this, "HN" did that... let's just admit that we're all chronically online people who get irritated whenever we stumble out of our bubble and more than one person dares to disagree with us.

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Post by mesrik »

lostlogin wrote: post #173
hvb2 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars only show if they're well made after like a decade? These are not washing machines or something. Sadly that's also why it's hard to buy a new car, you only know what's a quality car years down the line. First impression matters though.

I’d be stoked if a washing machine lasted a decade.

How so, not last a decade?

I had AEG Lavamat 1055 about 35 years (from 1982), worked well without hitch. It was quite small, top loading model etc. Fast spin-dry w/ variomatic (shaking also while spinning). Laundry out of it was quite dry already.

Then 2017 building plumbing had to be redone and gave reason to remake bathroom completely and replacing old equipment. I would have bought Miele model but it didn't fit reserved place and I ended up buying Electrolux instead.

That's now month short of 9 years and I have no reason to believe it will not work well at least another 10 years to come. regardless advertised 10 years warranty.

This current one has more electronic parts, but now searching by its model found only fault codes all seem to be user errors, overfilling, water hose not open, draining filter clogged etc. All non issues whoever bothers knowing how to maintain and operate that thing over years. No complaints about issues with electronics problems.

These were first used by a couple and later single (me) needs which are usually once a week plus twice a month washing 4-5 uses single day. Which becomes bit over 100 washing in year.

That's just 1000 washings in 10 years and 3500 in 35 years. For a family washing every day once it would be 3563 uses in 10 years.

If washing machine isn't badly kept against instructions and it isn't cheapest knock off plastic rubish, why would be a surprise if it doesn't last at least that 10 years use washing family laundry. And last many decades with single or dink use?

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

mbeavitt wrote: post #213
veza wrote: post #200

Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking…

I really don’t understand why this social credit concept has become so widespread. It does sort of exist but not in the big government breathing down your neck kind of way. Here’s an example - you can rent e-bikes and power banks at low cost, they are everywhere. If you don’t return an e-bike or power bank after using it, not only will that company charge you, but you’ll likely get blacklisted from renting more, even…

Feels like its the same poeple saying locked down OS stores are great because security and chrome engine in all browser is fantastic because then everything is standardized.

But worse because here we are talking deep human topics.

Such long period of peace made people forget about how the world work. And clearly studing history in school ks not working. I guess in the US they are getting a new shot right now to remember.

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