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Meta workers can opt out of being tracked at work up to 30 min

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Post by jmye »

yubblegum wrote: post #256
jjulius wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of people in these comments who would be happy to be "paid well" to contribute to what's inarguably a huge net negative worldwide is exactly how the company got to this point. It's astonishing how many people value a ton of money over doing something good. Everyone who talks about setting values aside for cash is the problem. Gross.

I have a dear friend who works at Meta. The conclusion that all meta workers are valuing money over "something good" is not reasonable. This fellow, who I know to be a good man of excellent character btw, for example has to support his family (which all together number 6), and be prepared to pay tuition for 4 kids starting in a decade and then one after another for the other 3! Is providing for your family and their…

> Is providing for your family and their future not "something good"?

No, intentionally giving kids depression and anger issues is not "something good" no matter how many bullshit platitudes someone throws out about their "family" and "excellent character".

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Post by greenavocado »

kennywinker wrote: post #315
greenavocado wrote: post #57

If you are wondering why they are doing things like this at FAANG, its because of this: YouTube /watch?v=YTuM-GS8Qak

Because someone made a video glamorizing their life working at microsoft? I don’t get the issue here - she’s basically doing free promotion for the hiring department

70% of their day is journaling, meditating, and eating.

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Post by jjulius »

doublerabbit wrote: post #492
cvoss wrote: post #472

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Your friend's argument holds no water. None at all. That's not how morality and ethics work.

It doesn't matter, money is money. Without it your pretty much screwed in this world.

Of which Meta is but one source of, among a sea of countless other places to obtain it.

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Post by deltoidmaximus »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #477
staplung wrote: post #412

Reminds me of one of the more brilliant passages in Snow Crash , describing work in "Fed Land"... ''' Y.T's mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this m…

This is the reality for many low wage workers today. Amazon drivers are on strict schedules and are watched at all times. This isn't fantasy, this is reality. It just hasn't gotten up the chain to effect the average HN reader yet.

I was reminded of this sequence when one of my required trainings not only had a quiz but also a required minimum time limit. It wasn't enough knowing the material I needed to waste time on it as well.

And then I remembered people in jobs that pay less than mine are already viciously harassed for not acting like identical automatons.

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Post by johannes1234321 »

crispyambulance wrote: post #20

It's always been hard to know the extent of how draconian tracking actually is (IT pros tend to not talk about it much). In the US, there's the expectation that when you use an employer-provided device that any and all activity on it can be fully monitored/recorded and used against the employee for any reason. In practice, however, few people worry about reasonable amounts web-surfing, being on hacker-news or doing l…

> In practice, however, few people worry about reasonable amounts web-surfing, being on hacker-news or doing life-activities on their work machines. Oh, here I am on hacker-news when I should be working.

This is all nice and good, till the employer needs a reason to fire an employee, then suddenly all such things become relevant. Maybe a bit less in at-will employment situations where there are low barriers for kicking people anyways.

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Post by anticorporate »

feedyourhead wrote: post #276
anticorporate wrote: post #149

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I quit tech at 40. I still do cool things with technology, but now at a community-owned grocery co-op. I can't recommend leaving tech highly enough. My cortisol levels are so much lower than they used to be. I don't have to schedule my life around EMEA and APAC meetings outside of my normal hours. I only work more than 40 hours a week if I feel like it, which I sometimes do, because I actually enjoy my work now. I ma…

> now at a community-owned grocery co-op I find that space really interesting. Do you by any chance have a blog, or would you mind sharing a bit of your experience with it? Also, any advice on research or reading materials? :) Thank you!

Folks who do what I do don't seem to have much of an online water cooler, aside from some National Co-op Grocer forums which are restricted access. Do check out ncg.coop though.

That said, I'll take the word of encouragement that maybe a blog would be interesting. You can do some really fun things at smaller businesses because it's fine if it doesn't scale. I can actually save us money by 3D printing or laser cutting things myself, and have done some fun projects around that. A lot of the tech projects I do are pretty much solo endeavors, which is challenging but also rewarding - that self-hosted project you tried out at home will almost certainly be robust enough for work. I'm one of two people here who write code at all, so I get to make pretty much all of the architectural decisions myself, and even a shitty Bash script is probably still 10x better than whatever process existed before. I also manage our product and marketing teams (did I mention it's a small business, lol?), which means I get to shape our message and values, and even be our taste-tester-in-chief.

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Post by lkey »

ryandrake wrote: post #434
shimman wrote: post #396

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You realize as a worker you're allowed to demand better working conditions right?

Sure, I'll get right on that.

If workers making far less than you, with far more to lose, can organize in their workplace, then you can too. Open up signal, talk to your coworkers, and find some solidarity. Now is far better than never, and you might feel less alienated at the end of it.

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Post by doublerabbit »

jjulius wrote: post #513
doublerabbit wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter, money is money. Without it your pretty much screwed in this world.

Of which Meta is but one source of, among a sea of countless other places to obtain it.

When was the last time you applied for a job and got an interview?

I was on a salary of $550 a day with a bank. I left because how grim banks are. I have yet to find another job that pays that much outside of a banking circuit.

If meta is paying you high-end why would you give it up for something that pays you less?

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Post by rightbyte »

jlarocco wrote: post #327
crispyambulance wrote: post #20

It's always been hard to know the extent of how draconian tracking actually is (IT pros tend to not talk about it much). In the US, there's the expectation that when you use an employer-provided device that any and all activity on it can be fully monitored/recorded and used against the employee for any reason. In practice, however, few people worry about reasonable amounts web-surfing, being on hacker-news or doing l…

Other than adding buzzwords to a features list, I don't see AI really moving the needle here. As you've said, it's always been the expectation that employers are watching over their networks. There's already loads of monitoring software available that can scrutinize, categorize, and track everything going through corporate networks. A company I worked at ~20 years ago had an internal website showing a live display of…

Does that work with https and dns over https?

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Post by lovich »

baliex wrote: post #427
staplung wrote: post #412

Reminds me of one of the more brilliant passages in Snow Crash , describing work in "Fed Land"... ''' Y.T's mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this m…

Truly terrifying. I'll admit I was expecting one of the near-15.62 options to be "acceptable". How wrong I was; I should have seen that coming. As one of the below comments says, you just don't know what level of snooping is going on. If you're reading this $CEO, hi!

If you can meet their goals, that just means there is more they can squeeze out of you. The incentive structure for our corporations means there is literally never enough and they will always demand more.
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