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Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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Find me a university that bans AI usage on campus in CS courses. I don't mind if students have access to AI and use it to help study, but I want some kind of assurance that they are able to build things without using AI. As a hiring manager, I will immediately prioritize hiring graduates of that school. I can teach someone who knows how to code how to use Claude Code. I find the other way around quite difficult.

Completely unenforceable. How is this not immediately apparent?

If all assessment is proctored in-person, it's easily enforceable.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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Completely unenforceable. How is this not immediately apparent?

If all assessment is proctored in-person, it's easily enforceable.

For basic courses yes. Anything graduate level usually involves papers that take weeks or months of work.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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> The university now has an A.I. librarian Isn't this one of the better uses of AI? Any librarian would have knowledge gaps and bias. Librarian-provided info is best-effort and not considered perfect. They're librarians, not subject matter experts. An AI could give (and cache, since books don't change) summaries of any book, and compare them, far better than a librarian except for niche areas a particular librarian m…

The need for physical libraries is fading anyway. I love books, and I spent many happy hours as a student (a long time ago) in the uni library, doing research the only way you could back then. But now ...? For STEM, at least, everything is digital. You don't need to go to the stacks to get an old journal article. And yes, it's sad, and it feels like an era is ending. But that's because it is.

"For STEM, at least" is doing a lot of work there. In fields like history, archaeology, and linguistics a lot of important research is only on paper. For the last decade, colleagues and I have been scanning publications and uploading them to the shadow libraries, but we have barely scratched the surface.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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The need for physical libraries is fading anyway. I love books, and I spent many happy hours as a student (a long time ago) in the uni library, doing research the only way you could back then. But now ...? For STEM, at least, everything is digital. You don't need to go to the stacks to get an old journal article. And yes, it's sad, and it feels like an era is ending. But that's because it is.

Physical libraries still serve as a place students go to study. It's not about the books, it's having a designated quiet place along with meeting rooms and what not, in addition to computers and printers they can use.

Worth noting that some universities are giving up on the "quiet place" idea, perhaps because (like many public libraries) they think atomized society today desperately needs third places to socialize.

I travel to many universities for conferences and see firsthand that talking is now allowed in some institutions' libraries, with only a small room made available for readers who need quiet.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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post #46

Find me a university that bans AI usage on campus in CS courses. I don't mind if students have access to AI and use it to help study, but I want some kind of assurance that they are able to build things without using AI. As a hiring manager, I will immediately prioritize hiring graduates of that school. I can teach someone who knows how to code how to use Claude Code. I find the other way around quite difficult.

I heard they do CS exams on air-gapped machines at UC Berkley. Use of AI to do CS homework is strongly discouraged, and if someone cheated, it shows up at the exam...

I guess if I were in school today, I would be accused of using AI on my homework, as I did very well on all of my projects and bombed my tests. My professors all recognized my hard work and gave me good grades, but I feel like that wouldn't go the same way today.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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Yeah, I work at a CSU and the Teacher's union is against AI. However, the layoffs happened at some of the CSU's where enrollment numbers are drastically down. I think Sonoma State is having a really bad time getting students and CSU Dominguez Hills has always had issues with attracting students compared to nearby CSU Long Beach. I'd imagine at some point these campuses may end up on the chopping block.

Sonoma-area rent (this college is in Rohnert Park, south of Santa Rosa and east of Sebastopol) spiked by a thousand dollars a month or more after the 2017 fires destroyed several square miles of homes, and the city planners chose to let the single-family home district rebuild as low density rather than rezoning the now-bulldozed land as medium or high density. That campus used to be packed before it became impossible…

I don't think you can just appropriate the property that burned down and then build high density housing. I'd imagine the people probably want to rebuild their homes and move back. There's probably other land that can be used for more high density housing.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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post #7

Yeah, I work at a CSU and the Teacher's union is against AI. However, the layoffs happened at some of the CSU's where enrollment numbers are drastically down. I think Sonoma State is having a really bad time getting students and CSU Dominguez Hills has always had issues with attracting students compared to nearby CSU Long Beach. I'd imagine at some point these campuses may end up on the chopping block.

> Yeah, I work at a CSU and the Teacher's union is against AI. Is this a political coalition thing or is there a real teacher-related reason they don't like it?

I guess I should qualify that, many professors are ambivalent regarding AI, but some view it as an existential threat to their profession. Most here are scrambling to figure out ways to work around it if not incorporate some AI into the curriculum, since every student has access to ChapGPT and many also have access to CoPilot.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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>Think of laboratory courses or courses where you need access to expensive equipment. Why do you need equipment to learn something? You can learn the information outside of a lab. >Also, there exist topics and degree courses that are much harder to learn by yourself than others. Free AI like ChatGPT can assist with offering many different explanations personalized for someone to make it easier to learn.

> Free AI like ChatGPT can assist with offering many different explanations personalized for someone to make it easier to learn. What I can tell you is the following: a lot of academic topics are quite subtle - to get to more than a basic level, you have to learn things that are very subtle, and where you only can judge the correctness of the information years later (basically when you have finished your degree or ev…

>it is not uncommon to hang for hours over a page or even a paragraph, trying to understand why the statement holds

Now imagine if AI can explain that page better so someone can understand it in a minute. This is why it is revolutionizing education.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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I’m usually pretty YIMBY, but I would make an exception for a place that just had a catastrophic wildfire. (That is, unless something’s been done to lower the wildfire risk.)

Sadly, they were not then YIMBY in any other ways after that missed opportunity, either.

What I mean is, it seems like people should moving away from places with high wildfire risk? If so, building more housing as YIMBY encourages is counterproductive. Instead, they should disallow building there.

There are similar arguments about building housing in a flood zone.

Instead, we should be building more housing in safer places.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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What is your confidence level that potential base level candidates can write a bubble sort function? (and is that at all important to you?)

I don't care if they can write bubble sort off the top of their head. I do care that when they were in class, they had to go through the exercise of implementing bubble sort in their algorithm, realizing that they had an off-by-one error, identifying the problem, and fixing it. School is like working out at the gym, and AI is like bringing a forklift to the squat rack.

Great metaphor.
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