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Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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Find me a university that bans AI usage on campus in CS courses. I don't mind if students have access to AI and use it to help study, but I want some kind of assurance that they are able to build things without using AI. As a hiring manager, I will immediately prioritize hiring graduates of that school. I can teach someone who knows how to code how to use Claude Code. I find the other way around quite difficult.

Completely unenforceable. How is this not immediately apparent?

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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post #46

Find me a university that bans AI usage on campus in CS courses. I don't mind if students have access to AI and use it to help study, but I want some kind of assurance that they are able to build things without using AI. As a hiring manager, I will immediately prioritize hiring graduates of that school. I can teach someone who knows how to code how to use Claude Code. I find the other way around quite difficult.

I heard they do CS exams on air-gapped machines at UC Berkley. Use of AI to do CS homework is strongly discouraged, and if someone cheated, it shows up at the exam...

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> If the NYT is the same as British newspapers, the person who wrote the article doesn't write the headline. This has been the case for essentially all newspapers since time immemorial. Reporters write the articles, editors write the headlines.

While true, NYT took a clear turn towards clickbait headlines in the last 5-10 years. It used to have more self-respect.

Blame the economics of the Internet. Companies use clickbait because it works, there have been many examples of this, and if a company wants to stay revenue generating in this day and age it must use clickbait.

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Amusingly, education is free and I’ll die on this hill. There is nothing you learn at a university that you cannot learn, for free, at a library and online. You pay for the rubber stamp.

> Amusingly, education is free and I’ll die on this hill. There is nothing you learn at a university that you cannot learn, for free, at a library and online. There exist parts or even degree courses in university education that cannot really be learned this way. Think of laboratory courses or courses where you need access to expensive equipment. Also, there exist topics and degree courses that are much harder to lea…

>Think of laboratory courses or courses where you need access to expensive equipment.

Why do you need equipment to learn something? You can learn the information outside of a lab.

>Also, there exist topics and degree courses that are much harder to learn by yourself than others.

Free AI like ChatGPT can assist with offering many different explanations personalized for someone to make it easier to learn.

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Can one really not imagine a case where the cheating machine being used by students is a bad thing for teachers? Does everything have to be "politically motivated"?

Its also a teaching machine. There are several classes I had in college I would have killed for ChatGPT to cut through the terrible instruction.

hmm the classic trolley problem

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> Amusingly, education is free and I’ll die on this hill. There is nothing you learn at a university that you cannot learn, for free, at a library and online. There exist parts or even degree courses in university education that cannot really be learned this way. Think of laboratory courses or courses where you need access to expensive equipment. Also, there exist topics and degree courses that are much harder to lea…

>Think of laboratory courses or courses where you need access to expensive equipment. Why do you need equipment to learn something? You can learn the information outside of a lab. >Also, there exist topics and degree courses that are much harder to learn by yourself than others. Free AI like ChatGPT can assist with offering many different explanations personalized for someone to make it easier to learn.

The information is how to use a lab, so you can do research, you know, the thing that happens largely on university campuses. (Now why taxpayer funded labs end up patenting things for private corporations, that’s what’s peculiar to me!)

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While true, NYT took a clear turn towards clickbait headlines in the last 5-10 years. It used to have more self-respect.

It’s all AI now

At the NYT? I don’t doubt AI is used in figuring out headlines but ultimately a human makes the decision.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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> A University System Went All In on A.I. Now It’s Tearing Itself Apart. The NYT often has a bias against AI, but the article's contents are actually a pretty reasonable summary of the different attitudes towards AI in academia. Then they went and slapped a terribly sensationalist headline on it, which doesn't seem well supported by the actual article.

There has been quite a few articles in that paper where the headline is really designed to be clickbait.

That was true 29, 40, 80 years ago

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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> The university now has an A.I. librarian Isn't this one of the better uses of AI? Any librarian would have knowledge gaps and bias. Librarian-provided info is best-effort and not considered perfect. They're librarians, not subject matter experts. An AI could give (and cache, since books don't change) summaries of any book, and compare them, far better than a librarian except for niche areas a particular librarian m…

I imagine a lot of existing library related applications have had the AI label slapped on them.
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