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Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by embedding-shape »

dofm wrote: post #84
nandomrumber wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not you, but on this very forum there are plenty who will argue that LLMs / AI are entirely deterministic and that given enough time, a chisel, and sufficient clay tablets, any AI output can be calculated by hand. I don’t know enough about anything to determine which opinion is correct. Is AI output not just matrix multiplication and a random seed?

I don't disagree necessarily on the fundamentals; I am slowly catching up on what LLMs do and don't do but that sounds right to me. But what I would observe is that the healing brush does not have a random seed. It will always do the same thing if applied at the same pixel. (I am actually less sure if content-aware fill randomises; I always got the impression it did not) This makes it both incredibly powerful and occ…

> But what I would observe is that the healing brush does not have a random seed. It will always do the same thing if applied at the same pixel.

Given a model architecture that supports it, greedy decoding + the same inputs + prompts, that's true for most LLMs today too, I don't think people consider them less/more AI because of that.

Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by scottyah »

dist-epoch wrote: post #55
jscheel wrote: post #40

I really don't understand why people are complaining about the AI features. These all mostly seem like solid quality of life enhancements and CGI-like tweaks.

Artists HATE AI. I fully expect some sort of DaVinci Resolve backlash, artists refusing to cooperate with those using this software.

What are you talking about? I don't know anyone grinding away deep in DaVinci or Flame that wouldn't love AI assistance. If anything, the studio heads will come in and insist it's all done by hand with the same energy they keep people up to 4am changing the color and shape of the eyebrows of the camel on a box of cigarettes just to deal with their neuroticism.

Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by ComputerGuru »

tehbeard wrote: post #99
odsodsods wrote: post #8

people complaining about AI features have clearly never wasted hours editing video or lost time and money discovering a technical flaw in a rush shot three days ago. For actual workflows, these tools are lifesavers

Because those people see the phrase "AI features" and the first thought is those sloppy generative AI stuff where things shift. Where as marketing at all these corporation is trying to genericize "AI features" into anything using an algorithm. "Content aware fill", something we've had for over a decade is now "AI object removal" "Noise suppression" is "AI voice extraction" Motion unblur is now "AI motion unblur".

I’m not sure I agree? For each of your examples there are algorithmic approaches and neural network approaches. Companies have certainly been loose and wild with how they market these, but there remain distinct approaches and implementations for each. Very generally speaking, the neural network based approaches (aka “generative AI”) perform better but with much worse degenerative cases and a higher baseline rate of unwanted side effects (that are normally not immediately visible but tend to cause issues down the line).

My bigger concern is that these neural network based solutions have taken the place of the former rather than supplemented them. Many tools no longer provide the algorithmic/kernel-based approach at all, and have marketed the “AI” (née ML) alternative as a strict superset/upgrade, despite its potential drawbacks.

(Interestingly while the inference-based implementations generally have higher latency (or infinitely worse, cloud and pay-as-you-go requirements), for some computationally difficult kernels the inference-based approach is actually faster!

Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by omnimus »

bbatha wrote: post #9

For all the potshots about AI, this update is huge even if you take away the AI features. They basically added lightroom to this release. There's some polish before you'd want to change your subscription, but its really tempting. It may be the best photo management/editor on linux. Yes, I know about darktable and rawtherapee and I stand by what I said. They also added a ton of motion graphics stuff which from the bet…

It might be best editor on linux but running it on linux is not easy. You basically need pick correct hardware pick right distro. It might be pretty easy on the oficial rocky linux but on other distros good luck. Also no AMD support.

I am pretty experienced linux user and i would have to buy new NVIDIA card and pray things work out.

Sadly i found out it will be much cheaper to buy refurb mac mini. So now i have dedicated machine for editing video.

Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by embedding-shape »

storus wrote: post #86
bbatha wrote: post #9

For all the potshots about AI, this update is huge even if you take away the AI features. They basically added lightroom to this release. There's some polish before you'd want to change your subscription, but its really tempting. It may be the best photo management/editor on linux. Yes, I know about darktable and rawtherapee and I stand by what I said. They also added a ton of motion graphics stuff which from the bet…

Can you run batch processing with the same settings over a large sequence of images like in Lightroom as well? And/or make slight changes to some parameters at certain points of time like correcting light intensity during sunsets the transitions smooths when your hardware made a step change when capturing it?

I haven't tried these new image features at all, nor do I know how well exposed it is in the scripting API in the new version, but Resolve does have a Scripting API I've used for batch processing (of videos) in the past, I'm guessing this gist will soon be updated for version 21 then you can take a peek there: https://gist.github.com/X-Raym/2f2bf453fc481b9cca624d7ca0e19...

Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by omnimus »

omnimus wrote: post #104
bbatha wrote: post #9

For all the potshots about AI, this update is huge even if you take away the AI features. They basically added lightroom to this release. There's some polish before you'd want to change your subscription, but its really tempting. It may be the best photo management/editor on linux. Yes, I know about darktable and rawtherapee and I stand by what I said. They also added a ton of motion graphics stuff which from the bet…

It might be best editor on linux but running it on linux is not easy. You basically need pick correct hardware pick right distro. It might be pretty easy on the oficial rocky linux but on other distros good luck. Also no AMD support. I am pretty experienced linux user and i would have to buy new NVIDIA card and pray things work out. Sadly i found out it will be much cheaper to buy refurb mac mini. So now i have dedic…

I suspect main reason resolve supports linux is render farms with purposefully bought hw.

Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by omnimus »

sbarre wrote: post #97
bbatha wrote: post #9

For all the potshots about AI, this update is huge even if you take away the AI features. They basically added lightroom to this release. There's some polish before you'd want to change your subscription, but its really tempting. It may be the best photo management/editor on linux. Yes, I know about darktable and rawtherapee and I stand by what I said. They also added a ton of motion graphics stuff which from the bet…

I haven't had a chance to look at the non-beta version but in the 21 Beta, the Photo page didn't support Lumix or Olympus raw formats, and I own two cameras: a Lumix and an Olympus. :-( I assumed they would add them later, I hope I'm right! edit: nope, still only supports Canon, Fuji, Nikon, Sony and iPhone ProRAW.

They mentioned in notes the support will come. They support lumix videos.

Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by scottyah »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #64
Lalabadie wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they've made lots of great practical choices! 100% in agreement with running local models for these tasks. My opinion is that, for end users, if you name your feature "AI" to market it, you kind of already failed to read the room. You're writing to VCs while hoping it convinces customers. Name what the feature does, what it gains them. Call it "smart" if you must imply some black box treatment. Naming AI as t…

> My opinion is that, for end users, if you name your feature "AI" to market it, you kind of already failed to read the room. You're writing to VCs while hoping it convinces customers. 100% this. Maybe I live in a bubble, but consumer sentiment regarding AI seems extremely negative. Boasting "AI" features is more likely to lose sales than to create them.

But their target audience are creators, not consumers. Creators love AI.

Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by peterbell_nyc »

Anyone using this headlessly got a read on how much of this an agent could do without human intervention? Would love to have a gut check on "sure, spend the $295 and you'll get some benefits for free if you have an agent run your videos through this before shipping them"

To be clear, my use case is making weekly online videos suck a little less - not grading feature films :)

Re: DaVinci Resolve 21

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Post by BuildTheRobots »

bbatha wrote: post #9

For all the potshots about AI, this update is huge even if you take away the AI features. They basically added lightroom to this release. There's some polish before you'd want to change your subscription, but its really tempting. It may be the best photo management/editor on linux. Yes, I know about darktable and rawtherapee and I stand by what I said. They also added a ton of motion graphics stuff which from the bet…

> ...before you'd want to change your subscription...

For anyone not in the know, Resolve has an exceptionally capable and feature rich free version. A lot of the AI features (and >4k editing) are locked to the Studio licence which is a one-time payment, but works simultaneously on two computers (including different OS's) and allows upgrades across major versions.

I spent less than $300 on it a decade ago and my licence works fine on new v21 released this week. My least-regretted software purchase in 3 decades.

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