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Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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That you link to a github is ironic in the worst way possible.

Where should the code be hosted, then?

It's not the "where" but the "that you link" which is ironic: referring to it by the https:// scheme turns it into a link (a fundamental aspect of www); a scheme like ssh:// or git:// would avoid this.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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The problem isn't an individual kids phone. It's their peers devices, or other ways they can explore the internet that isn't under their guardians control. This is a systemic issue that requires systemic approach. I am not making any claims about the qualities of currently discussed systemic solutions, but I do want to point out that the 'parents can just' argument is missing the mark.

They will just rediscover Bluetooth. Kids have always passed around stuff they weren't supposed to have. Source: I was a kid once, we had no cell phones. Porn on 5.25" floppies was a thing.

Cool, definitely better than endless scrolling on the 'you are not good enough'-machine ticktok.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Without American capitalism you wouldn't have computers, the Internet, smartphones, AI, electric cars and countless other things. That, and the Costco hot dogs mentioned in another reply.

"The global Internets progenitor was the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) financed and encouraged by the U.S. Department of Defense. In order to understand the wonder that the Internet and various other components of the Net represent, we need to understand why the ARPANET Completion Report ends with the suggestion that the ARPANET is fundamentally connected to and born of computer science rather t…

And the WWW is a Swiss invention.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Without American capitalism you wouldn't have computers, the Internet, smartphones, AI, electric cars and countless other things. That, and the Costco hot dogs mentioned in another reply.

"The global Internets progenitor was the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) financed and encouraged by the U.S. Department of Defense. In order to understand the wonder that the Internet and various other components of the Net represent, we need to understand why the ARPANET Completion Report ends with the suggestion that the ARPANET is fundamentally connected to and born of computer science rather t…

The only reason the US Gov had the expertise and resources to fund DARPA in the first place was because it was a massive capitalist country with enormous wealth

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Once again American capitalism ruins everything for everyone.

Without American capitalism you wouldn't have computers, the Internet, smartphones, AI, electric cars and countless other things. That, and the Costco hot dogs mentioned in another reply.

Smartphones and AI are tady's cancer, so good job America! Polluting the earth and its inhabitants once more. For electric cars, I have my doubts that without China we will have them, but I'll leave you simmer in your exceptionalism.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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"The global Internets progenitor was the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) financed and encouraged by the U.S. Department of Defense. In order to understand the wonder that the Internet and various other components of the Net represent, we need to understand why the ARPANET Completion Report ends with the suggestion that the ARPANET is fundamentally connected to and born of computer science rather t…

The only reason the US Gov had the expertise and resources to fund DARPA in the first place was because it was a massive capitalist country with enormous wealth

Which is very well known for collecting taxes, right? :D

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Problem now is bunches of parents don’t give a damn. So if your kid gets phone locked up others will make fun of him at school and kid might be outsider. Other parents are the problem, not technical setups.

Ok but everyone suffering because some parents are bad seems like a shitty policy.

It is not „some parents”, problem is really big.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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This assumes that it will actually solve the problem anyway. Kids just get a fake account or a VPN anyway. Addiction is the worst part and that is only going to happen on your own device.

You do know that many sites don’t work with a vpn. Like this one. You can’t create an account on HN with a vpn. Also, countries are starting to ban vpn ip blocks entirely. In fact, turkey was monitoring tor entry nodes and disappearing whomever provided them. Banned tor pretty damn fast. Vpns can be turned off in a snap.

Yeah I’m sure the kids are going to be devastated they can’t read HN

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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post #376

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The proposed solution though is that all adults going into the store have to provide their full name and address and have it recorded by the store to buy alcohol - or any other +18 product they want to buy. These things are not equal.

And that is where details matter. You can implement age verification in such a way that no data gets transmitted anywhere. Ofc I wouldn't expect Meta to not take a chance of collecting even more user data and blame a law for doing it, but if the law is written well enough, it won't mandate a specific method. If it does, definitely oppose it imo.

You can - but currently it’s all just done with random private companies that I would not trust with my email address never mind my passport or adult preferences.

Again - apple’s on device verification is a good idea for this. Apple just sends a ‘yes this is an adult’ message to reddit for example and now I can again participate in chrome up discussions.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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post #370

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The point is there are much better ways to enforce this - like just setting up proper parental controls on a device. Kids can’t buy their own phone. So parents can always enforce stuff at a hardware level if they set it up properly. It would be much better to just mandate that phones set up with a kid profile cannot access social media.

I am curious if you know how to enforce this on a general purpose computer.

This isn’t that hard to solve.

Kids have their own account on the computer.

Make it the law that if a computer account is set up as a kids account it must send some kind of not-adult header with all requests. Enforce that in the OS so it can’t be messed with.

Leave non-kid accounts alone.

Make it the default thing that happens if you set it up as a kids account so anyone can do it.

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