Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

jackmaguire.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 221 posts

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#151

Post by HeartStrings »

galaxyLogic wrote: post #132

Not everybody can create and maintain their own applications even with the help of AI. And that would be wasteful because app is not made to serve a specific user but to accomplish specific tasks. Therefore we will need people who are skilled at creating apps with the help of AI. AI can not do that for us, someone is needed to figure out what apps we need. So AI will empower programmers, not replace them. Of course i…

No, that will just empower mongrol ADD ideabros with, permajumping from project to project, filling up the internet with ever more slop.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#152

Post by HeartStrings »

StevenWaterman wrote: post #37
w29UiIm2Xz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody who trades their labor for income would legitimately trust simply getting money for existing because we created such surplus. What happens if the checks stop rolling? It is undesirable to be that dependent on the state, in an environment where faith in institutions has declined. To give up labor is to give up any leverage one possibly has in our system.

> What happens if the checks stop rolling Late 18th century France

As it should.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#153

Post by HeartStrings »

undeveloper wrote: post #97
StevenWaterman wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What happens if the checks stop rolling Late 18th century France

in a post gun warfare world where the state has weapons far exceeding what is legal or really possible for a organized militia to hold this is a pipe dream. muskets used to be state of the art.

Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t forget that laws of physics don’t prevent that from happening. Think about it this way: if you’re being left behind to starve and die, what do you have to lose?

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#154

Post by HeartStrings »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #11

I am probably different to most people, but I always have trouble understanding why people want to have jobs so much. The obvious and direct answer immediately of course is "to be able to pay the bills". But of course if we automated those jobs with AI, we could direct AI produced value into universal basic income so people wouldn't lose their income. Then the concern is of course, that the owners will not share the…

UBI economically unfeasable. And ok, you give some shit 2000 USD to every American to sit on their ass. You think humans are engineered to sit still? If there are no problems, human will invent them. And what about other locales, what about Kazakhstan, what about Yakutia, what about Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, Philippines. They gonna do 2000 USD airdrop too? No, they would get constantly mogged and beaten down by richer countries, perhaps invaded. Do you think they gonna sit on their ass? No! They would start wars and crimemaxxx. Why? Because: a) nothing to lose b) it is far more preferable for a human to be shot in the face than sit and do literally nothing forever. There have been actual studies on this.

Basically, buckle up and start socializing A LOT (iykyk), because to survive this one, you better be allied with one fraction ir another.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#155

Post by HeartStrings »

undeveloper wrote: post #97
StevenWaterman wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What happens if the checks stop rolling Late 18th century France

in a post gun warfare world where the state has weapons far exceeding what is legal or really possible for a organized militia to hold this is a pipe dream. muskets used to be state of the art.

They told musk electric cars are a pipedream too

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#156

Post by HeartStrings »

cedws wrote: post #118
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #11

I am probably different to most people, but I always have trouble understanding why people want to have jobs so much. The obvious and direct answer immediately of course is "to be able to pay the bills". But of course if we automated those jobs with AI, we could direct AI produced value into universal basic income so people wouldn't lose their income. Then the concern is of course, that the owners will not share the…

UBI is never coming man. Rich countries don’t even properly provide healthcare or take care of pensioners, let alone handing everyone a paycheck every month for doing nothing.

UBI not coming cus its not possible economically.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#157

Post by HeartStrings »

randycupertino wrote: post #24
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #11

I am probably different to most people, but I always have trouble understanding why people want to have jobs so much. The obvious and direct answer immediately of course is "to be able to pay the bills". But of course if we automated those jobs with AI, we could direct AI produced value into universal basic income so people wouldn't lose their income. Then the concern is of course, that the owners will not share the…

> we could direct AI produced value into universal basic income so people wouldn't lose their income. This would never get approved in the USA. Think of the backlash here against "Obamaphones" and "welfare queens" - we can't even get paid parental leave approved! Let alone disability, social security or SNAP/food benefits. UBI is not even an option. Even now we're taking away food benefits and tying it to mandatory w…

It would get approved when 80% of populus is unemployed

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#158

Post by HeartStrings »

dag100 wrote: post #138
krackers wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if we automated those jobs with AI, we could direct AI produced value into universal basic income We've seen this play out twice in history now (industrial revolution, then globalization/offshoring). Every time the pitch has been that automation would make life easier by trickling down the surplus productivity gains. And yet here we are still working 5 days a week with more intense competition than ever. Fool me onc…

> ChatGPT will not build housing, raise livestock, or perform surgery. I have a bad feeling that it's closer than you'd expect at all three of those things. Especially the last one. Robo-surgeons, remotely controlled by another surgeon somewhere else, already exist. Maybe it won't happen in the next 5 years, but do you really think AI capabilities won't get there in 20-25 years or so?

ChatGPT won’t, BuildGPT will

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#159

Post by HeartStrings »

yonaguska wrote: post #28
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #11

I am probably different to most people, but I always have trouble understanding why people want to have jobs so much. The obvious and direct answer immediately of course is "to be able to pay the bills". But of course if we automated those jobs with AI, we could direct AI produced value into universal basic income so people wouldn't lose their income. Then the concern is of course, that the owners will not share the…

> just do what I want to do all day Are the things that you want to do productive in any way? A sizeable portion of people have an innate drive to "produce" actual value.

I lived thru this… “do what you want all day" gets real old real fast. Cosmic purpose is mandatory

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

#160

Post by throwuxiytayq »

ornornor wrote: post #149
watwut wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Truck driver to nurse is special kind of issue, because nursing is feminine coded occupation and trucking attracts men who want to prove own masculinity. But they will take jobs that are not that much feminine. And nursing also require a lot more study then people assume, 40 years old trucker will have hard time spending that much time in school even if it was his lifelong dream.

> nursing is feminine coded occupation and trucking attracts men who want to prove own masculinity In your head maybe?

Some stereotypes are a useful description of reality. You’ve gotta pick your battles.

In the US, 87.3% of nurses are female and 92.3% of truckers are male.

Post reply on HN