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AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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If someone had written it. It's well curated slop, but it's still slop. Consider this bit: > A profession does not need to be eliminated to be mourned. It is enough for its center to fall out, leaving the people who built careers in that center with credentials that no longer map to a stable role. When AI threatens the work, it threatens the self, which is why the response looks less like ordinary job-loss fear and m…

Moaning about downvotes and Things These Days is tedious and your post would be improved by the absence of it.

Your contribution moved the debate forward not one jot. Whining about people whining is even less valuable than the whining. And given Simon was meta-whining as a response to me whining… Well, I just don’t know where that leaves you. But I’ve added even less to the debate, beyond my initial contribution.

However, to your point directly: Simon has a pretty valid argument. There’s a lot of slop posted on jere these days.

Personally I’m reading far less stuff from HN than I used to. That’s a shame because up unto the past six months or so I’ve found it a great place to expand my reading.

Now I increasingly click something open, realise it’s more AI slop and close it.

What I don’t understand is why these people do not realise how utterly, unmistakably, glaringly obvious their awful AI crap is.

I recently said elsewhere on here: I partly work with words. I find AI-“authored” content absolutely and unmistakably obvious.

The fact that people publish crap like this shows that they don’t know what good writing is, or what good expression of ideas is. Because if they did they would proof what their AI had written and realise how awful it is.

And that by extension means that the content is almost certainly worthless, because whoever prompted it read it and said “this is fine! I’m happy to publish it under my own byline!”

And in reality it just makes them look idiotic. No discrimination. No original thought.

So I don’t think my comment, - or Simon’s comment - was moaning about “Things These Days”.

It was a point about the erosion of the community this creates.

And if nothing else that erosion is silly arguments about the value - or otherwise - of AI slop.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone had written it. It's well curated slop, but it's still slop. Consider this bit: > A profession does not need to be eliminated to be mourned. It is enough for its center to fall out, leaving the people who built careers in that center with credentials that no longer map to a stable role. When AI threatens the work, it threatens the self, which is why the response looks less like ordinary job-loss fear and m…

The whole thing is unbelievable slop ! I think the whole article is llm-generated unfortunately (just reading the first paragraph I got an immediate smell).

Yup. First three paras and I gave up.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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So you are saying in the end of that piece that chess players came out stronger? You know how? Because AI is forbidden in tournaments and there are plenty of idle rich sponsors in Chess (it is popular among autocrats). So you are envisioning a future of software development where we have coding competitions sponsored by MBS where AI is forbidden? Like your Pelican meme, which is designed to cutify AI, this is propaga…

Hahaha, this is the first time I've seen the pelican thing described as "propaganda"! One of the main reasons I do the pelican thing is that it's making fun of the industry: 1. The smartest model in the world still draws pelicans riding bicycles worse than a five year old. 2. It highlights how absurd the task of comparing these models is. Oh, so it scored 78 on Terminal Bench 2.1? It also drew a crap pelican. > So yo…

I'm gonna need to see some proof on that 5-year-old-draws-pelicans-better claim.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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The idea that skilled people who work with their hands don't identify with their work is laughable.

Yes, and this is something that is routinely overlooked. Work identities run deep, and they are not easily changed. Andrew Yang actually made a strong point when he was talking about automation-driven job losses way back in 2019. He said you can offer the best and most expensive retraining programs imaginable to help people displaced from their jobs move to fields like healthcare - but most truck drivers, even if out…

Truck driver to nurse is special kind of issue, because nursing is feminine coded occupation and trucking attracts men who want to prove own masculinity. But they will take jobs that are not that much feminine.

And nursing also require a lot more study then people assume, 40 years old trucker will have hard time spending that much time in school even if it was his lifelong dream.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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post #47
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are saying in the end of that piece that chess players came out stronger? You know how? Because AI is forbidden in tournaments and there are plenty of idle rich sponsors in Chess (it is popular among autocrats). So you are envisioning a future of software development where we have coding competitions sponsored by MBS where AI is forbidden? Like your Pelican meme, which is designed to cutify AI, this is propaga…

Hahaha, this is the first time I've seen the pelican thing described as "propaganda"! One of the main reasons I do the pelican thing is that it's making fun of the industry: 1. The smartest model in the world still draws pelicans riding bicycles worse than a five year old. 2. It highlights how absurd the task of comparing these models is. Oh, so it scored 78 on Terminal Bench 2.1? It also drew a crap pelican. > So yo…

Staying out of the larger discussion, but:

> The smartest model in the world still draws pelicans riding bicycles worse than a five year old.

The bicycle is something that humans are famously bad at drawing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/18/the-h...

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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> In September 2025, two psychiatrists at the University of Florida College of Medicine, Stephanie McNamara and Joseph E. Thornton, published a paper in the journal Cureus proposing a new construct they call Artificial Intelligence Replacement Dysfunction, or AIRD.

There is no shortage of medical professionals attempting to design a new medical condition that they are 'certified' to treat and which some government agency 'needs to fund'. This is an interesting mechanism by which these people extract greater rents from productive capacity of this country.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moaning about downvotes and Things These Days is tedious and your post would be improved by the absence of it.

Your contribution moved the debate forward not one jot. Whining about people whining is even less valuable than the whining. And given Simon was meta-whining as a response to me whining… Well, I just don’t know where that leaves you. But I’ve added even less to the debate, beyond my initial contribution. However, to your point directly: Simon has a pretty valid argument. There’s a lot of slop posted on jere these day…

I'm not disagreeing about the slop, which is a monumental waste of everybody's time, for exactly the reasons discussed - which is why I quite specifically did not quibble about that aspect. I thought it would be clear that I was obviously referring to the last paragraph only, that being that part that contains as it does one quite specific reference to These Days, and some minor froth about downvotes. But perhaps not.

I don't intentionally use LLMs for anything, but perhaps I should have run my post through one to optimise for clarity.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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I am probably different to most people, but I always have trouble understanding why people want to have jobs so much. The obvious and direct answer immediately of course is "to be able to pay the bills". But of course if we automated those jobs with AI, we could direct AI produced value into universal basic income so people wouldn't lose their income. Then the concern is of course, that the owners will not share the…

I think most people, correctly in my opinion, look around at the powerful people in our society and think that there is ~0% chance they willingly hand over most of their wealth for the betterment of humanity. Pretty much every single action from people like elon/trump/altman/thiel shows the exact opposite. They would much rather have millions of slaves they can treat how they like, rather than a bunch of independent citizens with rights and opinions.

If AI does live up to the hype the surpluses might end up distributed to support basic needs for everyone, but there's no clean path to get there; it will take a long messy and likely violent fight to get there. Most people are currently comfortable enough to not want to go down that road, things will need to get a lot worse before they get better in this respect.

Re: AI job grief: A psychological crisis hitting tech workers

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Quotes from the article: 'Work as Identity: The Foundation' Knowledge workers hold a different relationship to their labor than manufacturing workers did. For a cognitive professional, expertise is not only an activity. It is a large part of the self. A data scientist who has spent a decade building statistical judgment does not experience that judgment as a detachable tool. It is closer to a personality trait. When…

Similar to LLM smells in writing, anyone that blogs about Reddit comments to make broad extrapolations about society or psychology or anything really…I just write it off as slop. They’re low effort takes from terminally online weirdos. The number of upvotes something gets is meaningless. Using it as some kind of appeal to authority or credibility on a topic is a joke. Like those SEO slop gaming articles about “contro…

I agree. It is human slop and as soon as it said REDDIT, I was like oh come on, I don't even use Reddit.
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