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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by BonerWiener »

segmondy wrote: post #174
ctvo wrote: post #104

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

Altman does appear to be an asshole, but I have bad news for you if you think Anthropic are the good guys. If anything, they might be worse than OpenAI.

Can you elaborate or give some examples as to why? I dont know much about this subject, last i heard, Anthropic declined deals with Military and government agencies - while OpenAI opened their arms. But i am not

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by enraged_camel »

segmondy wrote: post #174
ctvo wrote: post #104

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

Altman does appear to be an asshole, but I have bad news for you if you think Anthropic are the good guys. If anything, they might be worse than OpenAI.

What makes you think Anthropic might be worse than OpenAI? Anything specific, or just vibes?

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by Barbing »

afavour wrote: post #178
irthomasthomas wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporate accounts pay the full api price, so I don't know what is stopping them or you from also using codex on the same terms?

Intellectual property. My employer has an agreement that our code will never end up as part of Claude's training data. At this point there are also now custom Claude integrations etc. I'm sure they could also negotiate a similar deal with OpenAI but in my outsider experience it seems that negotiations around these kind of corporate contracts takes forever and when the selling point is "they're broadly pretty similar"…

> My employer has an agreement that our code will never end up as part of Claude's training data.

“Our competitive advantage is that we believe them,” I’ve read—wonder if that’s still a [prevailing] sentiment.

(Edit - context was probably using SotA models instead of being limited to local open source only)

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by spongebobstoes »

turzmo wrote: post #169
imdoxxingme wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dario is genuinely as bad as Sam.

I’ve heard this said, but why?

he pushes mysticism of the models

he's starkly anti-China with a warlike posture that I find dangerous and unappealing

Anthropic has a much more confused mission statement than OpenAI

in interviews, Dario appears to care little for the well-being of common folk, while Sam at least pretends

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by MichaelDickens »

BonerWiener wrote: post #201
segmondy wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Altman does appear to be an asshole, but I have bad news for you if you think Anthropic are the good guys. If anything, they might be worse than OpenAI.

Can you elaborate or give some examples as to why? I dont know much about this subject, last i heard, Anthropic declined deals with Military and government agencies - while OpenAI opened their arms. But i am not

I wouldn't say Anthropic is worse than OpenAI, but there's a lot wrong with them. https://anthropic.ml/ has a collection of incidents and relevant evidence.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by BonerWiener »

akillibebe wrote: post #84
orphea wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Amodei is different?

The choice is not binary. I use DeepSeek (paid) for coding, and Qwen (free) for casual stuff from the browser chat UI.

Wait, people actually pay for DeepSeek?

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by Handy-Man »

orphea wrote: post #75
bikelang wrote: post #68

OpenAI’s models could be materially better than Anthropic’s and I still wouldn’t use them because I don’t want to support Altman.

Do you think Amodei is different?

Compared to Scam Altman? Infinitely

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by scosman »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

Benchmarking 1 or a few samples isn't ever going to yield anything but noise. The actual benchmarks use thousands of tasks.

GPT 5.5 genuinely was back on top for a while there, but if you look at the past 2 years, being on Claude was better than being on OpenAI most of the time. If you're going to pick a tool and not switch constantly it was the right choice. Not to mention their tooling has always been ahead, and that gets ecosystem benefits.

Are they close and interchangeable today? Sure. But Sonnet was genuinely way better than anything OpenAI offered for a long time -- the valuation reflects that, not any given moment in time.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by amazingamazing »

Aurornis wrote: post #172
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

> We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. > Couldn’t tell. Why would you expect them to be able to recognize the signature of a model from a pair of PRs? I don’t understand why you think this is a useful test for anything when we have numerous benchmarks that run 100s of tests on model…

I am not sure why the past matters here. I am talking about now, it is a fast moving space.

As for the test, of course the output matters. Take image models for example. Differences are clear as day.

Should the fact that OpenAI existed before Anthropic did at all matter? No, imo. I would have used opus 4.8, but it only just came out- fast moving space

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by mountainriver »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

100%

The belief structures here are really interesting. Blind tests would likely illuminate a lot of why people think that

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