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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by bluegatty »

neosat wrote: post #70
jnovek wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t tell the difference between code written in vim or vs code but it matters substantially to the person writing the code. There’s stuff beyond just the output that goes into tool choice.

Your argument is fine but different from the claim the OP is making. You cannot simply make a claim that (model + harness) X is better than Y, but then have no discernible difference in the output. Subjectively, people might still prefer one over due to anything from design to marketing, but that's very different from the claim that X is better than Y for coding (see: "A colleague was convinced Claude is better"). Ba…

" You cannot simply make a claim that (model + harness) X is better than Y, but then have no discernible difference in the output"

Sorry I think this misses the mark.

Because it's not the output but the process.

And sometimes the outcomes are not always discernable.

Codex and Claude are very different.

I use them for different things.

Their behaviour difference is obvious.

Of course it'd impossible for anyone to tell by looking at my code base 'how it was written'.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by Aurornis »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

> We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code.

> Couldn’t tell.

Why would you expect them to be able to recognize the signature of a model from a pair of PRs? I don’t understand why you think this is a useful test for anything when we have numerous benchmarks that run 100s of tests on models and both GPT-5.5 and Opus-4.8 perform similarly.

I have subscriptions to both. I run both on max reasoning. It is interesting to see the relative strengths and weaknesses of each model. You won’t always see it if you’re just scanning code. Some times one will spin for a long time on certain problems where the other has no problem finding the appropriate parts of the codebase and getting an efficient solution.

antirez made a comment that he and others found GPT-5.5 to be better at the optimization tasks he was working on than Opus. There are other classes of tasks where GPT-5.5 consistently stumbles where Opus will get a solution quicker. Lately I’ve been working on some code where neither model comes up with a good solution. That’s just how LLMs go.

The only reason you have seen more activity about Claude is that they got there first. Codex has been a step behind and GPT couldn’t match Opus at first. You’re testing them after they’ve closed the gap.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by testfrequency »

999900000999 wrote: post #165
testfrequency wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I turned down an offer from Anthropic 3 years ago and I still laugh about it with my partner. Everyone I know at Anthropic is miserable. It’s not a fun place to work. There’s a reason you never see Anthropic employees talking online.

Pretty amazed my response got flagged. Wanting to make a lot of money is offense ? I'll keep what you said in mind though. Grass greener and all that

Shame. Moderation on HN has been really heavy handed recently I’ve noticed.

Don’t get me wrong, my friends are all making killer money…but they are also all out of therapy sessions, many are back on ADHD and SSRI meds, and the company seems to be full of egos and heavy handed mid management. I get the joy of meeting up with friends and their coworkers so I get to hear…a lot.

More to life than money!

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by segmondy »

ctvo wrote: post #104

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

Altman does appear to be an asshole, but I have bad news for you if you think Anthropic are the good guys. If anything, they might be worse than OpenAI.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by yoyohello13 »

tornikeo wrote: post #93
bikelang wrote: post #68

OpenAI’s models could be materially better than Anthropic’s and I still wouldn’t use them because I don’t want to support Altman.

Do you hold any amount of power in the world? A project that people care about, or a deliverable that someone depends on? Just curious how you can afford to care about the guy 7 levels above the men that built and support the API that you buy.

What is this Sam’s alt account?

People can spend money how they wish. SamA is a prick, so I don’t buy from his company. I don’t buy from Microsoft or Oracle either. Giving a company your money is explicitly supporting them and everything they do. Are you going to force me to buy products from people I don’t agree with?

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by cmiles8 »

Sam Altman appears to represent a significant liability for OpenAI’s success from this point forward. A big portion of the driver for Anthropic’s meteoric rise over the last six months appears to be folks recognizing “it’s that AI startup not run by Sam Altman.” Anthropic has amazing tech, but its biggest asset at the moment seems to be that “it’s not OpenAI.”

Not saying that’s right or wrong, but it’s clearly a factor holding OpenAI back at this point.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by mlsu »

afavour wrote: post #157
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

You're overestimating the extent to which individual developers have a choice here. My employer signed up for a Claude Code membership, I use Claude Code. I cannot use Codex. Anecdotally I hear of folks with workplace Claude Code subscriptions all the time. I'm not sure I've ever heard someone talk about their workplace Codex subscription. Anthropic clearly did a far better job chasing corporate customers while OpenA…

I think the marketing campaign came first. Anthropic captured developer mindshare first, then they brought it to their companies.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by afavour »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #167
afavour wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're overestimating the extent to which individual developers have a choice here. My employer signed up for a Claude Code membership, I use Claude Code. I cannot use Codex. Anecdotally I hear of folks with workplace Claude Code subscriptions all the time. I'm not sure I've ever heard someone talk about their workplace Codex subscription. Anthropic clearly did a far better job chasing corporate customers while OpenA…

Corporate accounts pay the full api price, so I don't know what is stopping them or you from also using codex on the same terms?

Intellectual property. My employer has an agreement that our code will never end up as part of Claude's training data. At this point there are also now custom Claude integrations etc.

I'm sure they could also negotiate a similar deal with OpenAI but in my outsider experience it seems that negotiations around these kind of corporate contracts takes forever and when the selling point is "they're broadly pretty similar" I suspect the motivation isn't there.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by Aurornis »

afavour wrote: post #157
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

You're overestimating the extent to which individual developers have a choice here. My employer signed up for a Claude Code membership, I use Claude Code. I cannot use Codex. Anecdotally I hear of folks with workplace Claude Code subscriptions all the time. I'm not sure I've ever heard someone talk about their workplace Codex subscription. Anthropic clearly did a far better job chasing corporate customers while OpenA…

The OP seems unaware that Claude had a lead in this space and captured market share and attention for that reason alone.

The test they (supposedly) ran with their coworkers to look at PRs from both is such a bad way to compare LLMs that I don’t think they’re very experienced with using them.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by bluegatty »

brookst wrote: post #26
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

This is like saying you gave a Taylor Swift fan sheet music from 1984 and from Michael Jackson’s thriller and they couldn’t tell the difference. I have a strong affinity for Claude Code because of the interaction experience and overall tone / vibe / process. I am 100% willing to believe the code it produces is identical or possibly less good than Codex. I enjoy working with Claude in a way I just don’t get from OpenA…

If it were a matter of 'enjoyment' then the OP would have made his point.

There should be a material difference between the tools.

There is.

vim / emacs / jetbrains - different tools to produce code.

Codex and Claude are different.

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