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WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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if the Dems don't also take back the Senate, this country is done it will take longer than this decade, maybe even next, to restore the brain loss and faith in secure jobs for research basically this country will just become a highway of non-stop warehouses, alternating ICE prisons vs "AI" datacenters science, medicine, all research and development just gone to other countries

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You’re thinking tactically. I actually thing the democrats will try to put the Trumpist stuff back in the box. They may not be able to. The rule of law requires trust and that’s gone, and will only be rebuilt by time. The reactionary Supreme Court has changed the character of the executive. That court will live for many years. The executive branch exists to represent the will of the chief executive. We’ve normalized…

Have the Democrats ever put any power-grab instruments back in any boxes? I don't remember a time they have, and I don't think they'll start now. They are meek cowards.

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You did exactly what GP was commenting on - conflating something that happened occasionally in the past with policy that mandates it should happen every time today.

Yes, grants were given and revoked for political purposes in the past.

But what percentage of grant proposals were reviewed by an appointed political officer whose sole job was to screen out wrongthink? It did happen, but it was ad hoc and amateur. Today’s administration is formalizing Soviet-style political reviews of science.

It’s scary, and it’s a mistake to hold up occasional (but serious!) mistakes from the past to justify systematic evil today.

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At a US conference last year, people thronged a session that talked about studying in Korea. This would be an empty room at, pretty much, any point in the past several decades. The amount of capability that America is burning is impressive. I suspect that people outside of academia are not as alarmed, since its not part of daily life. However it matters the same way that a drug discovery today is life saving 10 years…

The PHD level domai experts that will enter the labor market about ten years from now are the generation that enters college now. Some of the best teachers and advisors will no longer be at US institutuons by then. So this expert pool will shrink, setting back companies working on cutting edge stuff that drives economic growth. The full impact of the current science policy will take time to materialize, but it will have a big effect beyond academia.

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Well, america had a good run i guess? Hope china can step up and fill the gap.

Fill what gap? That of state-controlled research? Early indoctrination? Mass supervision? Revisionism?

You were downvoted but yes, hoping a state-controlled, authoritarian, single party politically led, genocidal government will ”step up” to better less-political research is faith without reason and ignorant of history

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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Very sad to see Hacker News discussing science funding. This has nothing to do with the hacker ethos of maximizing corporate profit.

Yeah it is as if this website is by a VC.

you have strong opinions about this place for someone who joined less than 2 years ago... In my >13y active on HN I can tell you politics has always been present. It's just more likely for political topics to end up in flamewar, meaning they will get down ranked quickly. In general those stories don't stay long in the front page

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And the USSR experienced tremendous economic and technological progress under Stalin, propelling it to an industrial and military superpower second only to the US. Similarly, Germany experienced great economic growth under the Third Reich. To each his own, I guess, but personally I'll take a less corrupt and more equitable country over a wealthy and powerful one any day.

While there are also other reasons for the great progress of USSR under Stalin, it is likely that the most important cause was provided by the benefits that USSR got from being among the victors of WWII. After the war, USSR incorporated totally or partially many countries and they transformed the remaining Eastern European countries into vassal states. Especially during the first decade after WWII, USSR has stolen hu…

The US also became the dominant superpower because of WW2, since much of the rest of the world powers suffered tremendous destruction - even those that won the war. Also, most of the western world's gold was sent to the US (they didn't fight WW2 for free) which allowed the USD to become the world's dominant trade and reserve currency.
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