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WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

gwerbin wrote: post #174
NordStreamYacht wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Win win for Europe and the USA, both get what they want.

I think most Americans, if polled, would prefer to be the global hub of scientific research, instead of an isolated silo of research that only follows a politically approved agenda.

I mean they might well prefer it, and a lot of other things, but the Republicans have done such an incredible job propagandizing everyone into "guvernment bad" thinking that they refuse to pay for it, because (mostly) Republicans have spent decades running on a platform of how the Government sucks and can't do anything, to get elected, and then set about making their Government suck and not be able to do anything. Then they go home and tell their dumbass constituents about how nothing in the Government works, and they're so propagandized against any reasonable sources of information they believe them, and vote for them, and rinse and repeat.

They've been doing this for like 70 years at this point and it's frankly a testament to how strong our institutions were that they're still kind of functioning, in the same way a 1999 Corolla you haven't gotten an oil change on since the Clinton admin is still kind of functioning.

And no I'm not going to do the song and dance for both sides. Yes, plenty of Democrats suck and I would love to see them ousted, but by and large the party consistently in power when the U.S. is in decline of it's own making is the Right. Something something facts don't care about your feelings.

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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Post by gmerc »

Jerry2 wrote: post #176
tempodox wrote: post #163

If you want to stay a scientist, you have to emigrate. The art of continually licking the right asses to keep funding going is not science.

Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? US grants are the biggest and most generous in the world. I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that. Other option is China but as a foreigner, you will never get a grant there unless you work for someone else.

the US used to spend. Now borligarchs decide.

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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Post by Joker_vD »

throw0101c wrote: post #188
Jerry2 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? US grants are the biggest and most generous in the world. I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that. Other option is China but as a foreigner, you will never get a grant there unless you work for someone else.

> Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? If the choice is between $0 in the US and >$0 someplace else, you emigrate to >$0 if you want to continue your research.

Well, for most "someplace else", the choice is =$0 too.

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Post by vonneumannstan »

b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #183
tempodox wrote: post #163

If you want to stay a scientist, you have to emigrate. The art of continually licking the right asses to keep funding going is not science.

I don't think China needs the kind of scientists disproportionately affected by the bad orange man's vendetta.

You mean Vaccine researchers? Or renewable energy researchers?

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Post by tdb7893 »

throw0101c wrote: post #188
Jerry2 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? US grants are the biggest and most generous in the world. I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that. Other option is China but as a foreigner, you will never get a grant there unless you work for someone else.

> Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? If the choice is between $0 in the US and >$0 someplace else, you emigrate to >$0 if you want to continue your research.

I know scientists who want to move back home but can't because where they are from doesn't have funding for the research they do. Even with the uncertain federal funding it's still more viable than many places around the world.

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Post by tvink »

Joker_vD wrote: post #193
throw0101c wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? If the choice is between $0 in the US and >$0 someplace else, you emigrate to >$0 if you want to continue your research.

Well, for most "someplace else", the choice is =$0 too.

You don't think the rest of the world is doing funded research?

Re: WH proposes rules giving political appointees final approval on research grants

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Post by libertine »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #186

It’s sad to watch my country commit suicide. Not only will my compatriots be poorer for it, but the rest of the world will be too.

Well it could be worse because in the end it's still a democracy, for how long that's yet to be seen.

Look at Russia, they jumped off a cliff to protect a regime from democracy, and people are checked out - they take no accountability and still act confused of why Russia is being despised - all while accelerating economic and demographic decline with more than one million casualties in a special 3 day military operation.

You can't make this up.

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