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Post by bflesch »

coldtea wrote: post #190
cogogo wrote: post #180

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“Leet Babe” is not even the right number of letters. Doesn’t seem like “leet” would even be in her generation’s vocabulary. Are you trolling? Very rich get vanity numbers? Where is there evidence of that?

Bothered to check it? It's not literally the letters "leet babe", it's in "leetspeak" as the parent said: "Ghislaine Maxwell's Social Security Number (133-78-4883) is recorded in U.S. law enforcement documents, such as historical NYPD files, as part of her official identification and background records". 1337 84883 --> LEET BABBE in leetspeak. It's a stretch, but to be fair, apparently they already had no problem get…

That's exactly it. There was a time before widespread fingerprint checks and facial recognition where they'd all been swapping their first/middle/lastnames around like crazy between passports, and for GM we have the actual immigration documents she filled out with the clear intention to fool the government - for each government entity she sent the form to, she used a different name. She was working in NY without a visa, and after Bush was voted out there was a sudden scrambling to get her an H1B and it was done via one of Epstein's companies.

The vanity SSN thing looks even weirder because someone who I assume was Epstein's great-grandfather was head of US social security administration in the 1920s, a crazy coincidence [Trump family was more department of agriculture]. The 133784883 SSN is clearly a five-eyes meme and one day FOIAs will show what other interesting VIPs have a 1337-range SSN.

Even Donald Trump's officially-curated Wikipedia lists some of his fake identities, and he has some Epstein-related pseudonyms which are not widely known yet which are miraculously also associated with the Kashoggi family name.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Post by bluGill »

cute_boi wrote: post #210
bluGill wrote: post #204

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Most of the governments you are talking about are voted on by the people. And when the people care, the governments change. When the people don't care, yes, the government does want lots of data. However, people do often care about such things and that limits the government.

> And when the people care, the governments change. When half of American lives paycheck to paycheck they care about putting food in table instead of petty politics or data collections.

The vast majority of Americans are not working 100 hours a week just trying to get enough for the basics (goodwill clothing, food, and a shelter...). They might be living paycheck to paycheck, but it is with 40-60 hour per week job, and the are living paycheck to paycheck because they spend money when they make it (this is a sensible thing to do with most of your money - though having some emergency and retirement savings is a good idea, for most people the risk of death before they get old is too high to make saving much more sensible.).

Which is to say the vast majority have plenty of time to think about politics. They don't but that is because they choose to do other things, not because they lack time. (even those who do take the time often only think about it superficially)

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Post by dyauspitr »

gregoriol wrote: post #200
dyauspitr wrote: post #13

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Yeah, I have a Ford F150 lightning. I just pulled fuse 8. I periodically connect it so I can receive over the air updates. I hope it doesn’t store all of its data and then upload it all at once every time I put the fuse back in.

You do understand that cars are designed to be in situations where they don't have network access for some time? parking underground and stuff?

Well my thinking is maybe the telemetry module (which has no power) might be doing the logging itself.

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Post by plagiarist »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #93
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #76

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China is an ethnically and culturally homogeneous society, with their ethnic minorities being about as different from the Han majority as the Czechs are different from the Slovaks. if China was to experience Western levels of diversity, inclusion, and cultural enrichment, then no amount of surveillance could possibly help prevent crimes, petty and otherwise. just look at the UK.

"then no amount of surveillance could possibly help prevent crimes, petty and otherwise. just look at the UK." I don't understand your argument. Are you suggesting surveillance cameras are somehow less effective in diverse societies? Are you claiming UK has as effective a surveillance network as China?

They're racist. The argument is racism.

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

gregoriol wrote: post #199
coldtea wrote: post #182

Thankfully I have one with zero connectivity. Problem solved.

Which model is it? There has been no zero connectivity cars produced in the last 10 years or so, except maybe some niche manufacturer?

I've got a couple older cars (2010, 2003), but the only new one I'm excited about - the only actually new car I've ever considered buying - is the Slate truck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_G4OfXTlvs

It has an LCD for the gauges and backup camera, but no modem and no surveillance tech. Bring your own phone/tablet if you want navigation or audio.

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Post by bflesch »

coliveira wrote: post #202
bflesch wrote: post #167

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Indeed. It started with intercepting letters and couriers, then storing phone calls, radio communications, operating labs to build DNA databases from blood samples, and now large-scale data collection for AI. Archives tie Epstein and Maxwell individually to various companies in those areas, and a truckload of familiar family names show up along them. My assessment is that people like Thiel and Musk are not self-made,…

Don't forget Bill Gates. People generally don't know he's heir of one of the richest banking families in Washington state.

One thing is old money, another is telling everyone you are selfmade when in fact you are a nepo kid.

If you are old money you tend towards intelligence roles because they give you diplomatic passport and make you immune to the law. It is much better than owning 5 passports from some banana republic because in the end only military might of the colonial powers counts (e.g. the british crown).

So many of the silicon valley idols we cherish are in fact old money, parents were in intelligence, the child made a tech company, tech was national security relevant, they got funding and daddy handled their competitors through their government institution. Have a look at founders of YC for example. Or Mr. Thiel who officially came from nothing but miraculously has a university named after him and is super-deep into intelligence. Or Musk where unfortunately a lot of archives from South Africa are unavailable for research, but his wealth definitely does not come from repatriating colonial wealth from South Africa to the US.

In terms of realpolitik all is fine but if you start fabricating terrorist attacks to cover up a potential PR scandal for your shitty family you are way out of line. And at that point only the next large-scale attack helps you cover up the scandal. Several tangential names in the Epstein files fall victims to freak terrorist attacks - those are quite convenient because they get rid of idealist defectors and have a new thing to set the public agenda with.

It is how the world works and we have to accept it.

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Post by Lio »

walthamstow wrote: post #196
Lio wrote: post #84

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> The end state is something like China, where petty street level crime is essentially solved. That’s also true for many states that don’t have the same coverage of CCTV and total lack of privacy. These are NOT two sides of the same coin.

Where is petty street crime solved without massive government intrusion?

Japan for starters, Taiwan for seconds.

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Post by ryan42 »

qmr wrote: post #147

Plenty of cheap, safe, reliable, and easy to repair vehicles on Facebook marketplace and craigslist without this bullshit. Personal inventory: Suzuki DL-650 V-Strom 650 $3500 1999 SW1 $1500 1998 SL2 $1500 1998 SL2 $1500 2005 Sienna $1000 (!). This one does have a crash "black box" but no phone home bullshit. I'd take any of them across the country tomorrow.

Saturn is such a good underdog car brand. Take care of them there aren't too many on the road anymore.

I want to someday get my family car from my childhood if I can find one. 1994 Pontiac Grand Prix

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Post by cwmoore »

coldtea wrote: post #183
Frieren wrote: post #108

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> The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected Let's finish the sentence there. Being spied by corporations 24/7 while we game, watch entertainment, drive, talk with friends, work... it's fucked up. We live in a hell of our own creation and only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here.

> only new legislation and regulations can get us out of here. From the same goverments that want more state surveillance and even buy the private profile data from data brokers? Only a new ...revolution would get us out of here...

Unemployed revolutionaries are a lot cheaper than responsible senators, and as history shows, selling claims to territories that belong to others is exactly what makes state violence so profitable. The descendants of someone in Africa are glad their photographs and souls weren’t taken a century ago.

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Post by dml2135 »

amelius wrote: post #188
vannevar wrote: post #23

Every corporation is trying to spy on you. Why wouldn't they? There is no real punishment, and large reward. As long as that is true, superficial regulations around tracking will always be circumvented or hollowed out. We need fundamental change in the way corporations interact with society, and in what is expected of them.

My bank somehow isn't selling my transaction data to the highest bidder though.

Your bank is very likely doing just that. They even send you a notice about it every year.
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