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Re: We replaced Zendesk

#81
Funny timing for this article to appear on the front page as I was just thinking of Zendesk today.

We kind of tried Zendesk maybe 8 years ago and even integrated the chat into our Electron app.

What put me off though is that support articles didn’t work off markdown, there was no way I wanted us having all our docs formatting and images locked up by them. We had already started using DocFX which was working pretty well for us.

As it happens, the integrated chat wasn’t that popular amongst our users anyway so we cancelled it not long after.

Fast forward to today, and it turns out that in the age of AI and LLMs that our Docs (which over time had become really good) are an enormous asset.

They allowed the AI integration in our product to work really well since the LLMs already understood a lot about our product from our Docs and they also behave as kind of marketing material as they organically show up in search results or LLM chats (we’ve gained a couple of clients who found us through ChatGPT).

A funny thing about our Docs, we always felt they were lacking and resigned ourselves to doing the best we could, even though it seemed they would never be good enough.

Then seemingly all of a sudden this year, we were almost surprised to find that they actually do seem to be quite good now.

I think it’s largely that we were continuously investing in them, but also that once we saw how LLMs could answer questions on our product really well, it became apparent that a lot of our customers just weren’t really looking at them, but now many of them kind of are, just via an LLM.

Re: We replaced Zendesk

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post #25

Since their private equity buyout in 2022, Zendesk will absolutely attempt to get you to sign agregious terms. They will attempt to hoodwink you. They will pretend they never received your cancellations and charge you for another year of contract. Legal counsel should be leveraged when dealing with them to ensure you don't get screwed.

> Since their private equity buyout in 2022, Does anyone know of examples of where a private equity buyout has made things better for the consumer?

I would argue that PE often makes things better for the consumer in the sense that they often buy businesses that are going out of business.

When the 65 year old sole proprietor of a local HVAC business sells it to a PE firm, the other option was likely winding down the business. If the owner had children that were interested in running the business, no doubt they would give it to them. But usually that is not the case. So the owner needs to sell. And if there were capitalized, enthusiastic local entrepreneurs that could buy it, no doubt the owner would consider them. But again, this is quite rare.

So the choices usually come down to: close up shop or sell to a PE firm. All other things being equal (which they never are), I think a market with more businesses is going to be more competitive and pro-consumer than a market with fewer businesses. Further, some economists have found that PE activity encourages business formation, perhaps partially explaining why the US has more small businesses per capita than Europe (where they have far less PE). So it's a double whammy: PE causes less businesses to close and more businesses to open.

A short, entertaining article on this topic: https://www.economist.com/business/2026/02/23/rejoice-privat...

Re: We replaced Zendesk

#83
The original decision is interesting because at first it seems very stupid (as acknowledged right there in the article). It's a more expensive way to do the same thing. But man, what a sales pitch, not only for their own customers but also to employees. The feeling is that the company values its people and is willing to really depend on them, and look, it actually paid off when they did that.

I think it's common to claim to care about the people without really depending on them for much (like with perks) or to depend on the work but treat people badly, and doing both is hard.

Re: We replaced Zendesk

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

docusign? Maybe I'm just dumb, but I would definitely want a CYA third party keeping track of all legally binding agreements.

Yeah, this is the absolute last thing I'd vibecode. This is one step above sending your LLM to represent you in front of a court when you're accused of murder.

Totally in agreement with you and the previous commenter. It's not a full re-write. I took an open source project (DocuSeal) and customized it for our needs

That said - Docusign has a moat because people are afraid (and CYA) by using them instead of anything else. To make an eSignature legal isn't really that complex, you just need hash based attribution, some timestamps and some ToS.

Replacing Docusign with something else is no where close to having an AI represent you in court

Re: We replaced Zendesk

#85
There are several quite decent open source CRM’s they could have deployed just as rapidly and easily. For example, years ago I lead a team who stood up SuiteCRM in six weeks where the build/customization was three days and the rest of the time was negotiations with other divisions about integrations (i work at a pretty large company). Last i checked it cleared half a million records with the only downtime being during a weekend patch cycle.

Re: We replaced Zendesk

#86

From my understanding, they vibe coded a solution and for now it is working for them. I've worked with zendesk and several other platforms. I worked in customer service automation, so we had to deal with so many incompatibility with different platforms. This looks like a win for now, but the part we won't see is what happens at 72 hours. I'm all for sticking it to zendesk, but as I tell every single person who were t…

They did not vibe code it but they did use AI. The sheer amount of confidence in domain knowledge that author has - most likely is NOT misplaced. We engineers heavily underestimate the extremely critical nature of domain knowledge. Anyone can code but to know the domain inside out is the real game.

As I see it, this is a story about knowing a domain inside out and an alarm for SaaS companies.

Re: We replaced Zendesk

#88

> We pulled an ultrahackathon. The team who built this did not sleep much for two days. They worked through Wednesday night, through Thursday, through Thursday night, through Friday. They ate at their desks. They wrote the spec late Wednesday evening and they wrote the cutover commit on Friday afternoon, and in between they did the work that the time between those two moments required. Cool story but I would not want…

Yeah that was a huge red flag. Classic power tripping CEO move to arbitrarily inject a deadline for a new project mid-sprint which then forces your team to work all-nighters and still have them deliver on all their sprint work. If I worked there I'd be immediately looking for a new employer, I guarantee this isn't the first time they've done stuff like this over the years.

There are cases where the workers' right to stay in the country depends on their employment, in which case this creates a huge power imbalance.

Re: We replaced Zendesk

#89

I have a friend who’s doing this for himself. He owns an AC business. He has need for tools but does not like plunking down money for a feature set that moves him in a direction he doesn’t wish to go. Solution? Create a bespoke internal system of one off apps for his OWN business using an LLM. He’s not a software developer, he has no concept of software maintenance or security. I’ve been watching and it’s interesting…

> Maybe business owners turned SWVibers like him will swing back to an off the shelf option once pouring more effort into 3am-my-stuff-is-broke scenarios becomes more of a chore than it’s worth. I mean, that's what, as an industry, we're all desperately hoping for, but, well, shit. ChatGPT-5.5 is quite capable, so if the business owner is disciplined and prompts it with thought, I'm not so sure those greenfield proje…

> [Your job is] going to be taken by someone using AI

Too true!

> if the business owner is disciplined and prompts it with thought

That’s a big “if”. For now, at least I wonder if conversations change from “I have an idea for an app…” to “I have an app that is having problems…”

Case in point, I had to help him fix an issue where the state was being persisted _in the link_. Not something I expected.

Re: We replaced Zendesk

#90
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sucks. The dumb diagrams as well - do we really need two boxes and an arrow to repeat what was described in a simple line of text just before?

Wow, yes, those are a pisstake. I hadn't seen them when reading the article because I used reader mode.

I'm seeing a lot more of those ai generated graphics which are shiny and flashy but ultimately say nothing.
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