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Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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philwelch wrote: post #100
mcantelon wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>RFID can't either, unless you severely overpower the readers. Readers can't be made specifically to cover a larger range? >You'd think the antichrist would be able to come up with something that couldn't be defeated with aluminum foil. RFID is cheap. And you don't need something that can't be defeated by aluminum foil. Putting aluminum foil around things is a hassle. People avoid hassles. How many people take the ba…

Have you ever used an RFID badge? You have to practically press them against the reader to get the damn thing to work. If you think the school is somehow hacking them to do any more than that, you need to provide evidence.

There are RFID readers made to read at short ranges and readers made to read hundreds of feet.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by philwelch »

mcantelon wrote: post #101
philwelch wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever used an RFID badge? You have to practically press them against the reader to get the damn thing to work. If you think the school is somehow hacking them to do any more than that, you need to provide evidence.

There are RFID readers made to read at short ranges and readers made to read hundreds of feet.

Right, but you don't want a student to show up as "present in class" if they happen to pass within hundreds of feet of the door reader. Do you know of any ID badge system that actually reads at hundreds of feet or are you inventing hypothetical scenarios and arguing as if they are reality?

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by mcantelon »

philwelch wrote: post #102
mcantelon wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are RFID readers made to read at short ranges and readers made to read hundreds of feet.

Right, but you don't want a student to show up as "present in class" if they happen to pass within hundreds of feet of the door reader. Do you know of any ID badge system that actually reads at hundreds of feet or are you inventing hypothetical scenarios and arguing as if they are reality?

If you're tracking attendance, you're obviously not using too long range a reader. But if you're tracking attendance, is RFID worth using at all? Some human verification of attendance is required, otherwise a single child can simply scan two RFID cards. If human verification is required, then a bar code-driven solution is cheaper and not an underlying privacy vulnerability for the student (i.e. a third party can't scan for it outside of the school).

The underlying issue with RFID in schools is the technology can be used to track people and some believe it's wrong for the state to condition kids into being forced to carry technology that can be used to track them.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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mcantelon wrote: post #103
philwelch wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but you don't want a student to show up as "present in class" if they happen to pass within hundreds of feet of the door reader. Do you know of any ID badge system that actually reads at hundreds of feet or are you inventing hypothetical scenarios and arguing as if they are reality?

If you're tracking attendance, you're obviously not using too long range a reader. But if you're tracking attendance, is RFID worth using at all? Some human verification of attendance is required, otherwise a single child can simply scan two RFID cards. If human verification is required, then a bar code-driven solution is cheaper and not an underlying privacy vulnerability for the student (i.e. a third party can't sc…

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Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

#105

Post by philwelch »

mcantelon wrote: post #103
philwelch wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but you don't want a student to show up as "present in class" if they happen to pass within hundreds of feet of the door reader. Do you know of any ID badge system that actually reads at hundreds of feet or are you inventing hypothetical scenarios and arguing as if they are reality?

If you're tracking attendance, you're obviously not using too long range a reader. But if you're tracking attendance, is RFID worth using at all? Some human verification of attendance is required, otherwise a single child can simply scan two RFID cards. If human verification is required, then a bar code-driven solution is cheaper and not an underlying privacy vulnerability for the student (i.e. a third party can't sc…

It's not just used for tracking attendance, it's used for a lot of other things, like paying for lunch at the cafeteria. Conceivably it could probably be used to control access into school buildings, so only staff, faculty, and students can get in. For those of us who work for a living and carry an ID badge at work, this is more or less what we use them for.

Bar codes are really no better, since they can be scanned at line-of-sight for a remarkable distance. They're less reliable, which is why RFIDs were invented in the first place.

Through the wholly unremarkable combination of having a job, living in a city with a functioning public transit system I sometimes use, being a Zipcar member, and having a credit card, I end up carrying about five RFID's at all times. RFID's are part of the world, not magical antichrist technology that the evil schools are conditioning children into accepting. Schools are a few years behind the technology curve, actually, as they almost always are.

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