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Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by MartinCron »

jivatmanx wrote: post #17
schnaars wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a great point, but raises issues around the entire US public education system that often times crosses the line of babysitting vs. education (I know nothing about this school). Managing a bunch of 15 - 19 YO's is pretty challenging and as schools continue to get their budget raised or cut, based on attendance, it will be more important to manage attendance vs. GPA / performance. Having kids safely in school,…

Why should all of the children who are in school voluntarily have their entire learning experience disrupted by the kid who keeps being forced back into school by a truant officer?

I think it 's mostly a question of meaningful consent. Just as a 14 year old cannot consent, legally, to having sex with a 30-year-old, a child cannot really be trusted with the choice to opt out of school.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by kclay »

alttag wrote: post #76
elwin wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, SSN's get assigned shortly after birth.

But perhaps part of the point of the GP is that SSNs (or even citizenship) are not required for attendance. In fact, it is illegal to even inquire about citizenship status due to federal access laws, so even the school asking for then SSN is ... interesting.

This is my home state.. city/county mind you in fact. I can remember back in middle school we were giving our SSN as a way to purchase our food, it was our pin code. Thinking back it makes you think if some of those kids have worst credit then others. Privacy doesn't seem to be a big concern in the state anymore, I was just reading that a few states, Texas being the only one to, wanted to conceded from the United States, I just don't understand it, times are changing.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by pourush »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #85
dchichkov wrote: post #69

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I think that this girl can tell electronic components from magic perfectly well. It is you, who is unable to understand what she is saying. Yes, she is using language with religious roots and very expressive 'mark of the beast' phrase. But these are just words, part of the language and culture. Fact that she uses them doesn't make her stupid or insane.

I hesitate to use the words "stupid" or "insane", but she literally believes that a piece of plastic with some microchips is the work of an evil magical being who wants to wait until she dies and then torment her, based on something that sounds like a mistranslated mushroom trip.

People don't always research what's important to their beliefs. I'd even go so far as to say it's more common than not that a person hasn't adequately researched their beliefs, whatever they are. So she might not have even read the book she got this belief from. Also, people have very different conceptions given vague data. So your interpretation of her beliefs is absurd, as religious scripture is ambiguous. Or more accurately, it doesn't matter whether it is ambiguous or not, as people will make that decision regardless of the ambiguousness of the original text.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by mcantelon »

philwelch wrote: post #79
mcantelon wrote: post #71

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The other technologies you listed can't be used to track people in realtime.

RFID can't either, unless you severely overpower the readers. You'd think the antichrist would be able to come up with something that couldn't be defeated with aluminum foil.

>RFID can't either, unless you severely overpower the readers.

Readers can't be made specifically to cover a larger range?

>You'd think the antichrist would be able to come up with something that couldn't be defeated with aluminum foil.

RFID is cheap. And you don't need something that can't be defeated by aluminum foil. Putting aluminum foil around things is a hassle. People avoid hassles. How many people take the battery out of their cell phones to avoid being tracked?

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by betterunix »

freehunter wrote: post #51
antonID wrote: post #43

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"Employers who do this are being just as antisocial and psychopathic as this school district" Because using rfid badges to unlock doors at an office building/control and log access to server rooms, etc is a psychopathic and antisocial thing to do

As an information security professional, I am so glad we use RFID badges. I want to know who is getting into my secure datacenter and when, and be able to revoke that right with the click of a button if things start going pear-shaped with their activities.

...because as we all know, an RFID badge is so terribly difficult to clone.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by betterunix »

antonID wrote: post #43
betterunix wrote: post #27

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Minors are more easily indoctrinated into accepting that sort of thing. Employers who do this are being just as antisocial and psychopathic as this school district; the difference is that adults are mature enough to say, "This is not right," whereas children will grow up thinking, "This is how the world works, I better accept it."

"Employers who do this are being just as antisocial and psychopathic as this school district" Because using rfid badges to unlock doors at an office building/control and log access to server rooms, etc is a psychopathic and antisocial thing to do

Most uses of RFID badges for access control have nothing to do with building control or server rooms (and why would you want something as poorly secured as RFID when a smartcard would be equally convenient and far more secure?). Most uses of RFID are based on the same reasoning that leads to the installation of keystroke logging software, MITM devices, etc. -- the idea that employees should be watched at all times, and that the more detail you have about your employees work habits, the better (and you should never have know how to judge the products of their work; after all, that is not the job of a top-level manager).

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by freehunter »

betterunix wrote: post #95
freehunter wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an information security professional, I am so glad we use RFID badges. I want to know who is getting into my secure datacenter and when, and be able to revoke that right with the click of a button if things start going pear-shaped with their activities.

...because as we all know, an RFID badge is so terribly difficult to clone.

RFID is a broad spectrum, not necessarily one technology. Some are more secure than others. Even with the most basic, though, it's pretty easy to clone a key or a keycode as well. Keys can't be revoked if you don't know where they are, and keycode changes require everyone to learn the new keycode. It's a game of give and take.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by shinratdr »

PacketNinja wrote: post #25

This is crap. How many of us have to where some I similar at work? Don't suspend her for not wearing it, just keep her out if class if she doesn't check in with it. Her attendance will falter in the system and she'll be expelled for lack of attendance. This is not big brother, its what every sane parent wants to know: where is my kid?

> How many of us have to where some I similar at work?

Those with broken souls or those that work in high-security institutions? This is hardly the average experience in an office FFS.

> This is not big brother, its what every sane parent wants to know: where is my kid?

You're joking right? This is completely big brother, and in my mind sane and endlessly controlling aren't compatible concepts. Indicting every other parent who doesn't want to ChildTracker(TM) their kids as insane is by far the most ridiculous part of your comment.

Wanting to know where you kid is at all times and going to invasive lengths to gather that information are two completely different things. If your child is out and unaccounted for, you should be worried. You shouldn't be checking their GPS tracker on your phone to gain that peace of mind. Sane parents have another key skill: self control.

It's a disgusting invasion of privacy, akin to ransacking your child's room to check for undesirable items. Feel free to do it, just don't be surprised when nobody visits you at the home in 20 years. You broke that bond of trust and respect a long time ago and it won't just suddenly re-appear.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by philwelch »

lutusp wrote: post #81
philwelch wrote: post #60

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Pray tell, what civil rights are violated by carrying RFID badges?

Privacy, and the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure. Essentially, the Fourth Amendment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_... The Fourth Amendment is often cited in cases of this kind -- it has been interpreted in modern times as assuring some protections against unreasonable or unjustified surveillance.

How does measuring attendance by badging in to a classroom at the beginning of the class period constitute surveillance while taking roll does not?

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by philwelch »

mcantelon wrote: post #94
philwelch wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RFID can't either, unless you severely overpower the readers. You'd think the antichrist would be able to come up with something that couldn't be defeated with aluminum foil.

>RFID can't either, unless you severely overpower the readers. Readers can't be made specifically to cover a larger range? >You'd think the antichrist would be able to come up with something that couldn't be defeated with aluminum foil. RFID is cheap. And you don't need something that can't be defeated by aluminum foil. Putting aluminum foil around things is a hassle. People avoid hassles. How many people take the ba…

Have you ever used an RFID badge? You have to practically press them against the reader to get the damn thing to work. If you think the school is somehow hacking them to do any more than that, you need to provide evidence.
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