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Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by lutusp »

warmwaffles wrote: post #57
lutusp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You entered into an agreement with this school district. If it's a public school, the agreement cannot include anything that violates a student's civil rights. Under the equal access rules currently in force, the fact that a student chooses to attend a particular school is not a factor -- her civil rights must be protected no matter what choices she makes.

True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms. Only after the fact did they start to protest it. Why didn't they protest it from the beginning? Anyways, there is a magnet school literally right next to Taft HS that she could apply to that doesn't have the RFID tags. In fact, she is going to a school that is further away from where she…

> True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms.

Doesn't matter -- it doesn't matter whether there is a signed agreement, only whether the agreement does or doesn't include provisions that violate civil rights. If this were not so, the South could have gone around and gotten all the poor black people to sign an agreement to attend inferior schools or give up the right to vote. They didn't even try this tactic, because they knew it wouldn't make any difference.

The tl;dr: Civil rights can't be signed away.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by chopsueyar »

sp332 wrote: post #52
eCa wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can opt out of Facebook/Google/Foursquare/etc, you can't opt out from your government.

Every time I visit a page with a little FB "Like" button on it, Facebook knows (via a cookie) what page I've visited. They track people even if they don't have accounts. It's not so easy to opt out of that. (I installed ShareMeNot for Firefox but it's not obvious that you can do that.)

Edit your hosts file.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by warmwaffles »

lutusp wrote: post #61
warmwaffles wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms. Only after the fact did they start to protest it. Why didn't they protest it from the beginning? Anyways, there is a magnet school literally right next to Taft HS that she could apply to that doesn't have the RFID tags. In fact, she is going to a school that is further away from where she…

> True, however she and her parents signed the forms that the school district sent out about the RFID tags and agreed to the terms. Doesn't matter -- it doesn't matter whether there is a signed agreement, only whether the agreement does or doesn't include provisions that violate civil rights. If this were not so, the South could have gone around and gotten all the poor black people to sign an agreement to attend infe…

I understand that, but you also need to realize Jay HS is one of the worst, underfunded schools in the district. They NEED the money from attendance and that is the only way they get money.

If the govt. would start rewarding schools money not based on attendance alone, this would be a totally different thing.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by warmwaffles »

philwelch wrote: post #60
lutusp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You entered into an agreement with this school district. If it's a public school, the agreement cannot include anything that violates a student's civil rights. Under the equal access rules currently in force, the fact that a student chooses to attend a particular school is not a factor -- her civil rights must be protected no matter what choices she makes.

Pray tell, what civil rights are violated by carrying RFID badges?

He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school, and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them. To which, I'm not sure what kind of personally identifying information is on them other than a UUID. All speculation and snake oil

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by sp332 »

chopsueyar wrote: post #62
sp332 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I visit a page with a little FB "Like" button on it, Facebook knows (via a cookie) what page I've visited. They track people even if they don't have accounts. It's not so easy to opt out of that. (I installed ShareMeNot for Firefox but it's not obvious that you can do that.)

Edit your hosts file.

That only works until FB (or Google or whoever) starts using IP addresses in their CDN URLs, or Google hard-codes DNS values for Google analytics servers into Chrome, or whatever. ShareMeNot prevents the browser from even trying to fetch the content.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by jamesbritt »

Steveism wrote: post #14
jvdh wrote: post #9

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"Human beings aren't cattle." Approaching an airport security control a while back where security agents where shouting "Remove your shoes, belts and jackets, and move along!" repeatedly gave me the distinct impression that the TSA strongly disagrees with you.

That's for sure. It's no wonder why they're so hated in society.

Are they? They're certainly hated by various subgroups but I don't think this is terribly wide-spread. I get the feeling more people think the security theater is for real and is stopping actual atacks.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by philwelch »

warmwaffles wrote: post #65
philwelch wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pray tell, what civil rights are violated by carrying RFID badges?

He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school, and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them. To which, I'm not sure what kind of personally identifying information is on them other than a UUID. All speculation and snake oil

> He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school

Isn't that exactly what schools have always tried to do?

> and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them

Isn't that exactly the information schools have always had?

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by dchichkov »

no_fans_please wrote: post #20

I must say, I'm extremely worried about the USA, and this article demonstrates why. Should we really commend someone for being unable to tell the difference between an electronic component & radio transmission system, and the magical 'mark of the beast'? I'm also pretty sure that forcing people to wear tags is going to be overturned by a judge on the point of religious freedom, not based on a common sense decision. A…

I think that this girl can tell electronic components from magic perfectly well. It is you, who is unable to understand what she is saying.

Yes, she is using language with religious roots and very expressive 'mark of the beast' phrase. But these are just words, part of the language and culture. Fact that she uses them doesn't make her stupid or insane.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Post by warmwaffles »

philwelch wrote: post #68
warmwaffles wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school, and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them. To which, I'm not sure what kind of personally identifying information is on them other than a UUID. All speculation and snake oil

> He's talking about the fact they are able to track where the students are "roughly" in the school Isn't that exactly what schools have always tried to do? > and that the RFID badges hold some personal information in them Isn't that exactly the information schools have always had?

Yes and yes. I see the issue she's having with the RFID but I also don't understand why she is having such a problem. Her phone tracks her, facebook tracks her, google, etc... it's a problem yes, but I can't do anything about it other than complain.

I think the family just wanted to get a quick window of fame and be able to tell people "Ya, we forced the HS to get rid of those RFIDs."

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