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California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
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Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
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I think the header/metatag is designed poorly. The RTA proposal is that every operator of every site must verify the content and add the header to mark the site as "safe" or "unsafe". This is unnecessary burden that they have to bear if this proposal is given a green light and this is wrong. Instead, the default should be, that if there is no header or it cannot be parsed, then the content is unsafe. And if there is…
Yes, exactly, this should be really simple as a foundation: by default the Internet is for adults. All of it. Where it's desirable for things to be available for kids, create the economic incentive and easy tools for parents to use and run on a white list, not a black list. I'd actually go somewhat further though and ask whether it's a good idea to even do this via web pages at all. We have a great potential system f…
A .kids domain is not a useful approach.
The vast bulk of the internet is child neutral. For example my church a web site, the bakery down the road has one, the local pro sport team has one. They're not designed "for kids", but kids are welcome.
Does StackOverflow need to register a .kids domain just so children might get answers to programing questions?
If my-bakery.co.uk and my-bakery.co.au both want to be visible to 16yo there needs to be at least kids.uk and kids.au.
Does OpenSSL.org or OpenSSL.com get to be OpenSSL.kids?
Sorry but duplicating the entire neutral internet domain space with yet another tld isn't a helpful approach.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
No such mandates should take place at all.
I agree with you, as a longtime free speech believe. but... I would also like to keep my kids from seeing the very worst of the internet before they're ready to handle it. I tried using a PiHole but Firefox DNS-over-HTTPS nullifies that now. It's not realistic for me to be watching over their shoulders 24/7; what can I do to keep them away from stuff 99% of people agree isn't for children to see, without something li…
That's an interesting problem. Even if you have full control over your children's devices they can still simply toggle the DoH feature back on unless you do complicated enterprise style device management things.
However DoH isn't obfuscated and in order to operate the list of resolvers that firefox uses must be published somewhere. It follows that you should be able to filter the major DoH providers at your gateway.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with your proposal is that it's already the status quo. Various whitelists exist but service operators don't generally bother with these things. What you end up with is a largely unusable experience if you enable whitelist filtering. The core problem is the lack of buy in. Unfortunately that likely needs to be forced. I think it's not unreasonable to legally require people to make a claim about the nature…
Should books require an age rating? What about spoken words? What makes online speech different, from the perspective of the Constitution that limits the power of the state?
The difference is one of redressing a concrete dysfunction. Libraries or the local bookstore or whoever aren't trying to sneak into your home, onto your child's school bus, into your child's classroom, while pushing various extremist publications purely for their own profit (ie "engagement"). We do in fact have zoning laws - I can't inadvertently encounter a strip club in a quiet residential area. Meanwhile it's commonplace for children to carry a network terminal around with them with which one can readily access the equivalent of things far worse than that.
What I've described does not restrict one's ability to speak freely. It is most similar to an impressum except it bears no identifying mark thus poses no hazard to anonymous speech.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
The page having a simple rating assumes there can be one mapping from content to rating for the whole world. I doubt we can even have one for North America and Europe.
Every app submitted to the App or Play store already has to do this. If parental controls are on, then users cannot download those apps. The only hard part for the web is that a site could lie since there is no gatekeeper, but some black lists can help with bad actors.
Do the app stores have per-country rules to decide a rating?
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
The page having a simple rating assumes there can be one mapping from content to rating for the whole world. I doubt we can even have one for North America and Europe.
That's a sorry attempt at an excuse. Companies are expected to collect ID and have related business logic that respects local laws but can't figure out how to tag their content? That's an utterly nonsensical position. There's no reason a simple, standardized header can't be used to communicate any number of classifications simultaneously. Edit: It occurs to me that if you oppose all age related measures then my above…
My point was they shouldn’t give an age rating, but instead a list of standardized content descriptors
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well lack of age verification definitely isn't fixing anything either so what's they play here? We all just collectively as a society just shrug like oh well, no fixing any of that?
No, we should take measures that actually address the problems that exist. Problem numero uno: the Big Tech companies are creating systems and digital environments that are hostile to everyone (of which children are a subset), compelling everyone to use them, and punishing those who attempt to get away. We cannot fix that by merely dictating terms, especially if those terms are such that only the Big Tech companies t…
Ok we might be in violent agreement here but so far I've yet to see anyone put forth anything like a serious plan to dismantle Big Tech, which clearly indicates that "triage legislation" half measures are the only thing currently on the table. I see little sense in letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
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Your post says far more about you than libertarians. Remember, every time you give the government a power, you are creating an avenue for corruption and by design putting someone who probably isn't qualified in charge of decisions they lack the experience to make reliably. There you go, a simple argument that increasing government power has a drawback that you never consider. And that's why you post says more about y…
And every time you remove legislation you open up entire new vistas of corporate depravity and as the last 40 years have comprehensively demonstrated, "market forces" are not a viable replacement for legislation. Increasing government power is a liability only and solely when folks make a habit of electing incompetents and the corrupt. Governance as a concept is fine, what you're actually arguing for is better politicians.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a sorry attempt at an excuse. Companies are expected to collect ID and have related business logic that respects local laws but can't figure out how to tag their content? That's an utterly nonsensical position. There's no reason a simple, standardized header can't be used to communicate any number of classifications simultaneously. Edit: It occurs to me that if you oppose all age related measures then my above…
My point was they shouldn’t give an age rating, but instead a list of standardized content descriptors
Well fair enough. In that case we are actually in agreement. Let the end user (or network admin) sort out what is and isn't acceptable in a given context.
What we need regulation to provide (IMO) is a reliable way of doing that.
Re: California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash
#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
The page having a simple rating assumes there can be one mapping from content to rating for the whole world. I doubt we can even have one for North America and Europe.
Come up with a few categories and let the browser/OS decide. Websites by default are ‘true’ for every category, unless they specify. Categories are, for example of some: nudity, sexual, violence, etc. It doesn’t have to be perfect but sites will have to err on the side of caution. We could even create an html tag for example, and the browser can simply not render that portion of the page of the user has that type dis…
A header is probably better than a tag.
The goal should be to satisfy most reasonable governments. A neutral technical standard and an international organization to maintain the the ontology for content descriptors