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Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

#61

So what's best low cost coding agent these days? Kimi 2.6? Qwen's latest closed model? Composer 2.5? DeepSeek?

Although I have little interest in agentic coding, when I do use it, I have found Kimi K2.6 to give Opus-quality output, and have switched entirely to it for pretty much everything.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

#62

I love the focus on cache hit efficiency. Hats off to the deekseek team for creating a great product that maximizes cost efficiency for the user.

Just in case, note that this project is someone's side project

> Independent open-source project · not affiliated with DeepSeek

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

#63

So what's best low cost coding agent these days? Kimi 2.6? Qwen's latest closed model? Composer 2.5? DeepSeek?

Although I have little interest in agentic coding, when I do use it, I have found Kimi K2.6 to give Opus-quality output, and have switched entirely to it for pretty much everything.

I've used Opus extensively and tried K2.6 on a few projects, and the gap is huge. K2.6 is nowhere near the performance of Opus. That's fine because it's also far cheaper, but public benchmarks line up with my own personal experience that they aren't comparable in terms of intelligence.

(that is, different places on the Pareto efficiency graph)

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

#64
Can someone give me a eli5 version of what this is? It really sounds useful to Claude subscribers.

Is this improving the cache hit and hence overall efficiency of coding workflows?

Does it also let me host a local llm (deepseek)? What are model min requirements for this?

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opencode has really bad cache stability issues that they seem uninterested in fixing at the moment.

That'd be really easy to spot and also fix, most likely. Any open issue you could point us to, must surely been reported already?

> That'd be really easy to spot and also fix, most likely

Ah, reminds me of good old "There are only 2 hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-1 errors."

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

#66

Isn't caching a server-side thing? How does the agent affect it, significantly at least?

Say you put the current time down to the second in the system prompt, which is the message that goes in front of the entire conversation, then basically nothing will be cached, every agent turn needs to ingest the entire session over and over. Contrast to not doing that, and the backend can leverage caching all the way up to the latest message, as nothing until then changed.

Yes, of course you can destroy it. But how far can you "improve", beyond decent "common sense" behaviour.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

#67
post #20

So what's best low cost coding agent these days? Kimi 2.6? Qwen's latest closed model? Composer 2.5? DeepSeek?

For me, it's by far Deepseek. It's many times cheaper than competitors, and about as good as Sonnet 4.6.

I'd generally agree about Deepseek being as good as Sonnet - but I have extreme trouble with prompt compliance with V4 Pro in a way that I've never had with Sonnet. I'll tell it "find the bug, but don't fix it" or "please use this tool I just developed" and it'll ignore me a high fraction of the time.

It's bad enough that I'm working on guardrails at the harness level because prompting appears to be useless.

Do you have the same issue?

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

#68
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opencode has really bad cache stability issues that they seem uninterested in fixing at the moment.

That'd be really easy to spot and also fix, most likely. Any open issue you could point us to, must surely been reported already?

Opencode (and other coding agents) have hundreds of open issues reported. It is quite discouraging when they are not being closed/fixed.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

#70
post #64

Can someone give me a eli5 version of what this is? It really sounds useful to Claude subscribers. Is this improving the cache hit and hence overall efficiency of coding workflows? Does it also let me host a local llm (deepseek)? What are model min requirements for this?

You can also ask Claude and get an immediate answer, the power is yours
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