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The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by wzdd »

margalabargala wrote: post #13
phillipharris wrote: post #7

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> The food was engineered to override satiety — proven, not suggested.

> Cream in his coffee, butter in his soups, all the gristle he could handle.

I've noticed Claude is specifically fond of three-element lists consisting of (standard example of class), (standard example of class), (nonstandard example of class). It's interesting because Claude often gets the nonstandard example more or less incorrect -- in this case, because gristle isn't an example of a high-fat-content food.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by hombre_fatal »

vjsrinivas wrote: post #14

I feel like its another symptom of dying health institutions. These kinds of beliefs also lead people down other ridiculous roads. I've seen the thought process of someone go from: - replacing seed oils with animal-based oils - arguing against the role of LDL in increased CVD and events - building a more animal-centric and meat-heavy diet - using "looks-maxxing" terminology to describe their diet and associated belie…

What happens is that you have to find ways to dismiss the body of evidence to take on positions like "beef tallow and butter are actually amazing for you".

e.g. Since saturated fat is well-known to increase LDL/ApoB, and these people have high blood lipids because of it, they have to dismiss the research on it to continue believing it's healthy.

It further entrenches them in a position where they can be convinced of absolutely anything because they've given up all epistemic standards which is why they overlap with all sorts of contrarian positions learned from social media and youtube videos.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by bryanlarsen »

elchief wrote: post #29

"eat less ultra-processed food" well, how do you think Canola Oil is made exactly? it's cracked, cooked, pressed, washed in hexane and acid, neutralized with caustic soda, bleached, deodorized on what planet is that not ultra processed? so, i should avoid ultra-processed food, except oils that are ultra-processed? whereas tallow, is...cut from meat i'm not suggesting you should only eat tallow, I'm just saying it's n…

Sure, if you eat the tallow. People aren't doing that. They're using the tallow to make french fries etc. The problem is the french fries, not the oil choice.

Eating beef tallow is self-limiting. It's hard to eat a lot of it directly.

OTOH, it's really easy to eat a lot of French Fries.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by mapontosevenths »

alkonaut wrote: post #23

Where is this panic? In the US? I don’t hear anything about it (in Europe).

Yes. RFK Jr. was corruptly placed in charge of America's healthcare by Trump in exchange for dropping out as a presidential candidate.

He is a conspiracist with no medical credeentials, and he believes, without evidence, that seed oils are response for most of the ills of mankind, Tylenol causes autism, SSRI's should not be prescribed, etc. None of his beliefs are mainstream or evidence backed, but he now has a huge megaphone.

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Post by chneu »

kstrauser wrote: post #10
phillipharris wrote: post #7

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#IAmVerySmart Edit: One of the few things I find more annoying than AI blogs is the gleeful rush to label everything as AI generated. It comes across as “I am so clever! You can’t fool me!” Meanwhile, that reads like a perfectly normal sounding thing for a human to have written. “This blog uses the word ‘the’ a lot. Sure sign of AI!”

Yup. Anything someone disagrees with is now "written by ai" as if that invalidates what was written.

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Post by grosswait »

kstrauser wrote: post #10
phillipharris wrote: post #7

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#IAmVerySmart Edit: One of the few things I find more annoying than AI blogs is the gleeful rush to label everything as AI generated. It comes across as “I am so clever! You can’t fool me!” Meanwhile, that reads like a perfectly normal sounding thing for a human to have written. “This blog uses the word ‘the’ a lot. Sure sign of AI!”

I appreciate the warning and it says to me this is an annoying read.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by onion2k »

lopis wrote: post #22
InMice wrote: post #19

I try to take the middle road: Making 50-75%+ of my calories come from refined, powderized carbs and sugar (original food pyramid) - Bad Eating whole foods, lightly cooked. Whole food starch sources, often retrograde starch. avoid high heat fried foods, eat mostly leaner meats - Good Declaring plants and seed oils evil, nothing but lard, tallow and red meat and a dozen eggs a day - Bad Two meals day with no snacking…

If people got 75% of their calories from plant based whole foods, a lot of health problems would probably disappear overnight.

Is that even possible with the current food supply chain though?
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