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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by randyrand »

godelski wrote: post #642
johndevor wrote: post #622

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it logical that their kids get birth right citizenship when their parents don't have it?

This is over a hundred year old rule and common in "the new world". You can guess why it is common if you think about the phrase I put in quotes. All these countries are composed of immigrants... Here's a short and incomplete list: USA, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile. The logic is that the culture is what makes you part of the country, not the blood in your veins. The other side of that logic is that you're…

It’s clearly split old world vs new world.

But new world is getting pretty old now too.

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Post by adev_ »

cyberrock wrote: post #767
timr wrote: post #666

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a shame that I had to scroll past pages of invective and name-calling to get to your comment, which is the first one to substantively deal with the policy change. Like you, I tend to think this is a ham-handed move, but like one of the sibling comments, I also have to acknowledge that it’s common for other nations to require change-of-status applications happen outside the country. For example, Japan requires th…

Japan only requires leaving for converting a tourist/digital nomad visa and some Working Holiday Visas to a normal working/spouse visa. And WHV to normal status is really dependent on the partner country. For example Australians don't need to leave, but Canadians and Brits do, and I've heard that immigration will sometimes just grant the change of status anyways. So that seems to indicate that Japan doesn't really ca…

> . So that seems to indicate that Japan doesn't really care.

Additionally, Japan has a very clear and straightforward process to convert HSP Visa (Highly skilled visa) to a permanent residency.

It can be done in 3years for most and to 1year for the high level candidatures (PhD profiles).

This is very far from the current H1B shitshow.

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Post by bluecheese452 »

jfengel wrote: post #158

I hear "I'm not anti immigrant, I'm anti illegal immigrant" a lot. To which there is an easy solution: increase the number of legal immigrants we allow. Instead we're doing exactly the opposite, cutting down on legal immigration as well. Making it hard for me to believe that it was ever about illegal immigration at all.

Presumably the people saying that mean they like immigrants that meet the current requirements not a different set.

Otherwise we could just get rid of immigration law and then everyone would be a legal immigrant.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by dr_dshiv »

varenc wrote: post #443

The internal memo on this is interesting: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/PM-... Essentially they're trying to change the rules by aggressive re-interpretation of the existing legal framework, and not actually changing any laws or regulations. I don't follow all of it, but it seems to be arguing that the "ordinary consular process", leaving the country and applying for a visa from abroad, is…

Don’t you technically leave the nation when you enter an embassy?

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Post by pseingatl »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #825
varenc wrote: post #443

The internal memo on this is interesting: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/PM-... Essentially they're trying to change the rules by aggressive re-interpretation of the existing legal framework, and not actually changing any laws or regulations. I don't follow all of it, but it seems to be arguing that the "ordinary consular process", leaving the country and applying for a visa from abroad, is…

Don’t you technically leave the nation when you enter an embassy?

No. This is a popular myth.

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Post by pseingatl »

declan_roberts wrote: post #726
tootie wrote: post #722

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have repeatedly taken incredibly broad if not downright delusional interpretations of legal precedent and used them to set policy. They literally tried to override a constitutional amendment (birthright citizenship) with an executive order. They have been laughed out of court many times but have won a shocking number of these ridiculous cases. This is just another one. Set the maximal policy that they want and m…

H1b (the visa status of nearly everyone here affected by this change) is only 36 years old. We're not talking about ancient case law here.

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

cogman10 wrote: post #165

So much of the US immigration process is built around punishing and exploiting. The primary reason for the strong border is allowing farms and construction companies to find cheap labor which can't complain about mistreatment. It helps that a decent portion of the population hates and/or is fearful anyone different from themselves. That is what's allowed for these even more draconian and brutal measures.

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

bognition wrote: post #206
hellojesus wrote: post #192

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This is the part that is the wildest to me. The current system seems to generate a collection of second-class citizens: people we openly rely on for labor but that have no recourse if they're exploited and no regulatory protections such as minimum wage (even though I argue against min wage, if we're going to have it, have it!). My personal preference would be to allow nearly unlimited legal immigration but strip welf…

Is this a surprise? This is hardly anything new. The United States was built with slavery.

So do you support building an even higher wall, and doing even more deportations, to keep the so-called "slaves" out?

If the US is so "exploitative", we should be keeping illegal immigrants out for their safety.

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Post by leokennis »

jsadfsdafh wrote: post #779
leokennis wrote: post #314

May the world extend Americans the hospitality that the US has extended to the world in the last year.

The US is an extreme outlier in accepting migrants. The current situation is effectively what the vast majority of countries already do. Some go beyond that, and gun down people with machine guns at their border. The idea that the US is not a country that belongs to its citizens, but some sort of abstract global entity that everyone in the world is entitled to is farcical, and it's coming to an end. The US owes absol…

I’d be fine with America not wanting the world to feel “entitled to” it, if at the same time they’d stop feeling entitled to the rest of the world themselves.

Vietnam. Middle America. Afghanistan. Iraq. Greenland. Venezuela. Iran. Now Cuba.

Stop it.

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