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'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by Gigachad »

microtonal wrote: post #33
syntaxing wrote: post #3

Serious question, I have a Bambulab printer now. What is a good next printer option? Prusa is way too expensive without a decent AMS alternative. Flashforge is doing some sketchy stuff with their maker site + AI. Is Creality or QIDI the best next options?

I think the answer is still Prusa. It's mostly Chinese companies undercutting Prusa's price and they probably care as little about free software licenses and users as Bambu. I saw this mess coming from miles ahead (and it will repeat itself), so when it was time to replace our Ender 3v2, I got a Prusa printer. Yes, it was much more expensive than Bambu, but at some point we have to put our money where our mouth is. W…

The Prusa i3 mk4 is about 4 times as expensive as the roughly equivalent A1. Their stuff also seems to have less features and less polish.

I get voting with your wallet but not many people want to spend 4x more for a worse product.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by consp »

syntaxing wrote: post #3

Serious question, I have a Bambulab printer now. What is a good next printer option? Prusa is way too expensive without a decent AMS alternative. Flashforge is doing some sketchy stuff with their maker site + AI. Is Creality or QIDI the best next options?

If anyone has a flashforge check out the alternative OS with all the normal goodies without the proprietary crap for the 5m. I adjusted most of the original on printer display code for it back in the first version and I guess it has been improved by now (don't have the printer anymore). Would not recommend to buy one now since they "open source" their code but won't provide the makefile to build it which likely contains a bunch of external references. So you cannot build your own klipper code for it or update it in any way. They raised the "proprietary code" argument of course which is bs on the level of an entire herd.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by BozeWolf »

VorpalWay wrote: post #40
syntaxing wrote: post #3

Serious question, I have a Bambulab printer now. What is a good next printer option? Prusa is way too expensive without a decent AMS alternative. Flashforge is doing some sketchy stuff with their maker site + AI. Is Creality or QIDI the best next options?

The thing is, a Prusa will last way longer, and when something breaks it is fully serviceable. All the cheap Chinese brands are at best only partially serviceable. Just the other day I saw a post about a BambuLabs X1C that had to be thrown out because of a pully that was worn out and not replaceable. Snapmaker (also Chinese) seem to be doing things better at the moment, but only time will tell how the serviceability…

Is it worth the upgrade to 3.x? I have the mk3s for years now and I love it. No issues at all. Bought it after I finished my freelance job at Ultimaker, as I had to return my S3. I wanted a premium experience, which prusa sure has. Considering upgrading the 3 or buy a new prusa core something something.

Second hand market for prusa printers is decent as well.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by fuomag9 »

Gigachad wrote: post #51
microtonal wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the answer is still Prusa. It's mostly Chinese companies undercutting Prusa's price and they probably care as little about free software licenses and users as Bambu. I saw this mess coming from miles ahead (and it will repeat itself), so when it was time to replace our Ender 3v2, I got a Prusa printer. Yes, it was much more expensive than Bambu, but at some point we have to put our money where our mouth is. W…

The Prusa i3 mk4 is about 4 times as expensive as the roughly equivalent A1. Their stuff also seems to have less features and less polish. I get voting with your wallet but not many people want to spend 4x more for a worse product.

I got a P1S for 500€ and what was already at the limit of my budget for what I use the 3D printer for (very sporadic small parts/gadgets)

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

[dupe] Discussion on many of the linked articles:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48109224

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48175820

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48115127

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48115681

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48186583

Etc etc

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by sznio »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #10

So Bambu's argument hinges on "impersonation" claim of Jarczak's modified client using the same user agent string? If a user compiles official BambuStudio from source, does BambuLabs then also claim their non-bit-identical client is also impersonating the "real" BambuStudio? Or are they abusing user agents strings as authentication mechanism? If they don't consider it abuse, but rather legitimate use of agent strings…

Funniest thing is how this compares to web browsers impersonating each other in the user agent string. Should Mozilla sue everyone?

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by hju22_-3 »

the_af wrote: post #31
_zoltan_ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

building and managing a printer is far from a hobby. it's like the Linux desktop people who just fight with their system instead of enjoying MacOS.

We Linux desktop people aren't fighting our desktop anymore. Everything just works and it has for some years now. Linux with Steam + Proton is a better gaming platform than MacOS, by the way. The Year of the Linux Desktop arrived a while ago and nobody noticed :)

> Everything just works and it has for some years now.

Strange then, that so many people and particularly those who haven't spent years or decades fighting their OS or desktop environment, seem to disagree.

Every time a linux user says "everything just works" there's a massive gotcha. Remove the terminal and try to use a linux system, setting everything up, while properly roleplaying those who haven't spent years to get used to linux's many weird choices and you'll perhaps understand.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by [deleted] »

VorpalWay wrote: post #50
tda wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what does Prusa offer for dust and moisture free filament storage? Why doesn't Prusa copy the "enclosed filament storage on top of printer' solution that is so much better then spools dangling on the side? I don;t want to but a BamuLabs I am willing to spend 2k+, but not on a printer that does not have a properly integrated filament solution.

What is wrong with a set of third party dry boxes, possibly even cheap DIY ones? I seem to remember there is a common plastic box that is made for storing cereal in that is just the right size. Just add some reverse Bowden tubes and put a series of those on top of the printer. https://www.printables.com/search/models?q=drybox shows plenty of fancier alternatives as well.

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Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by altmanaltman »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #22
altmanaltman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean if you do enter a legal case, they cannot just laugh away and be like "oh DoctorOetker such a silly case". They will have to take it seriously and follow all legal procedures. I don't know why people think law is some commonsense topic when it's highly technical and domain-based.

I'm not asking what the courts do, I'm asking what they should do?

Asking what they should do is literally what they do. Law is not a commonsense topic where asking whaty they should do has any meaningful implications if you do not understanding the underlying theory and precendence which requires deep domain knowledge.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by IdiotSavage »

VorpalWay wrote: post #48
IdiotSavage wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The upcoming INDX looks promising. But I can't see how Prusa solves the "dust and moisture" problem. They don't have something like Bambu Lab's AMS, do they? Same problem with the Snapmaker U1. Edit: the Snapmaker U1 also seems to have an open top, which is problematic for ABS, I assume.

Fair, but adding third party dryboxes (possibly even DIY ones, I believe there is a common plastic box for storing cereal that is just the right size, just add some silica gel to the bottom and a tube for the center of the spool) with some reverse Bowden tubes would be trivial. EDIT: See also https://www.printables.com/search/models?q=drybox for plenty of more fancy alternatives, including some for mounting on top of…

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