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'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by silisili »

digitalPhonix wrote: post #26
silisili wrote: post #25

I'm not in the community, so I'm taking this article at face value. If I read correctly, he made software that possibly exploited a security gap, they asked him to remove it, then he demanded free hardware. They said no, and the conversation turned sour. Why is everyone mad at them? I'm not blaming either side, but it sounds like a rather typical failed negotiation.

> that possibly exploited a security gap It set a HTTP user agent string...

I'm quoting the article without technical analysis or personal biases.

> But he wanted to be “properly acknowledged” for possibly revealing “a significant security gap

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

#42

Post by VorpalWay »

the_af wrote: post #29
sen wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve owned half a dozen printers (Prusa, Bambu, and Creality) and help manage a hackerspace with a print farm of mixed brands, and I won’t personally touch any brand other than Prusa now for actually getting prints done. There’s plenty of other printers that can do the same or better and/or cheaper if you want “building and managing the printer” to be half the hobby, which is a totally fair thing and can be lots of f…

I don't know about other brands or even models, but I can attest that the Bambu A1 Mini "just works". I precisely wanted to avoid another hobby, of which I have too many already. 3D printing as a hobby doesn't appeal to me, I just wanted something that solved the problem and was relatively cheap. The A1 is this for me, it's as close as a fire and forget appliance as I could find. Not saying there aren't better altern…

The A1 mini has turned out to be a fire hazard as of recently. Some component in the power supply that can explode and in the worst case catch fire. Multiple events during the last year, and shockingly it hasn't been recalled. You probably don't want to run yours while not in the room.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

#43

Post by IdiotSavage »

VorpalWay wrote: post #37
IdiotSavage wrote: post #27

I have a problem: I'm in the market for a new 3D printer. My old Ultimaker 2 is still going strong, but it's from a different generation and doesn't fit my needs anymore. Looking purely at features, I really want a Bambu Lab X2D. However I hate what that company is doing, don't want to give them my money and don't want to lock myself into their increasingly locked down ecosystem. Features I want: - 2 nozzles (print p…

You didn't specify a price range, but a Prusa Core One with INDX, or a Prusa XL could work if you aren't price sensitive. I have heard good things about the Snapmaker U1 that just released, though apparently the slicer software isn't quite there yet, but you could just run stock OrcaSlicer instead. Time will tell how reliable and more importantly serviceable the Snapmaker is. Prusas are renowned for both of those.

The upcoming INDX looks promising. But I can't see how Prusa solves the "dust and moisture" problem. They don't have something like Bambu Lab's AMS, do they?

Same problem with the Snapmaker U1.

Edit: the Snapmaker U1 also seems to have an open top, which is problematic for ABS, I assume.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by VorpalWay »

GZGavinZhao wrote: post #7
syntaxing wrote: post #3

Serious question, I have a Bambulab printer now. What is a good next printer option? Prusa is way too expensive without a decent AMS alternative. Flashforge is doing some sketchy stuff with their maker site + AI. Is Creality or QIDI the best next options?

I assume you're into multi-material printing and want a true multi-extruder setup. Then, quality wise your remaining options are: Prusa, Flashforge, and Snapmaker. Snapmaker very recently just shot themselves in the foot in a similar way that Bambu did, so you're left with Prusa and Flashforge. Of the two remaining, I really only trust Prusa. Yes you pay a lot more, but I guess that's some sense voting with your wall…

Another option would be a Voron kit with INDX or some other tool changer added to it.

(Also, what did Snapmaker do? I thought they were relatively innocuous?)

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by digitalPhonix »

silisili wrote: post #41
digitalPhonix wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that possibly exploited a security gap It set a HTTP user agent string...

I'm quoting the article without technical analysis or personal biases. > But he wanted to be “properly acknowledged” for possibly revealing “a significant security gap

Sure, for context the image in the article captioned

> Jarczak’s code shows that his fork of OrcaSlicer identifies itself as “BambuStudio,” but mostly just by saying that out loud and hoping Bambu’s systems don’t ask any questions. Image: Bambu

is the “security gap” claimed by Bambu

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by VorpalWay »

the_af wrote: post #34
justinclift wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On one hand, sure. On the other hand, it seems Bambu Lab's intentions are to lock down their ecosystem and extract rent (ala HP and printer ink). So, if the Vizio case works out for OSS licenses, then Bambu Lab's likely won't be able to lock things down in the way they're intending (unless they expend significant effort to rewrite code). That'd "stop" them from winning in the way they'd like, to the benefit of the wi…

Extract rent how? Mandatory paid subscription? I cannot see the future but I believe this fear is unsubstantiated.

I could see them making working with third party filaments more and more inconvenient. They already do to some extent where the NFC tag system only works on first party filament, and they are not interested in opening it up, using encryption to prevent third party tags from working with their system.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by tda »

VorpalWay wrote: post #37
IdiotSavage wrote: post #27

I have a problem: I'm in the market for a new 3D printer. My old Ultimaker 2 is still going strong, but it's from a different generation and doesn't fit my needs anymore. Looking purely at features, I really want a Bambu Lab X2D. However I hate what that company is doing, don't want to give them my money and don't want to lock myself into their increasingly locked down ecosystem. Features I want: - 2 nozzles (print p…

You didn't specify a price range, but a Prusa Core One with INDX, or a Prusa XL could work if you aren't price sensitive. I have heard good things about the Snapmaker U1 that just released, though apparently the slicer software isn't quite there yet, but you could just run stock OrcaSlicer instead. Time will tell how reliable and more importantly serviceable the Snapmaker is. Prusas are renowned for both of those.

But what does Prusa offer for dust and moisture free filament storage? Why doesn't Prusa copy the "enclosed filament storage on top of printer' solution that is so much better then spools dangling on the side? I don;t want to but a BamuLabs I am willing to spend 2k+, but not on a printer that does not have a properly integrated filament solution.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by VorpalWay »

IdiotSavage wrote: post #43
VorpalWay wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't specify a price range, but a Prusa Core One with INDX, or a Prusa XL could work if you aren't price sensitive. I have heard good things about the Snapmaker U1 that just released, though apparently the slicer software isn't quite there yet, but you could just run stock OrcaSlicer instead. Time will tell how reliable and more importantly serviceable the Snapmaker is. Prusas are renowned for both of those.

The upcoming INDX looks promising. But I can't see how Prusa solves the "dust and moisture" problem. They don't have something like Bambu Lab's AMS, do they? Same problem with the Snapmaker U1. Edit: the Snapmaker U1 also seems to have an open top, which is problematic for ABS, I assume.

Fair, but adding third party dryboxes (possibly even DIY ones, I believe there is a common plastic box for storing cereal that is just the right size, just add some silica gel to the bottom and a tube for the center of the spool) with some reverse Bowden tubes would be trivial.

EDIT: See also https://www.printables.com/search/models?q=drybox for plenty of more fancy alternatives, including some for mounting on top of the printer.

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by simoncion »

silisili wrote: post #25

I'm not in the community, so I'm taking this article at face value. If I read correctly, he made software that possibly exploited a security gap, they asked him to remove it, then he demanded free hardware. They said no, and the conversation turned sour. Why is everyone mad at them? I'm not blaming either side, but it sounds like a rather typical failed negotiation.

> Why is everyone mad at them?

Because they're unjustifiably being huge pricks [0] and violating an OSS license that covers the software that they've built their commercial product on top of. [1]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIbpQtoz6hs>

[1] https://sfconservancy.org/news/2026/may/18/bambu-studio-3d-p...>

Re: 'Fuck you, Bambu': How one private message could change the face of 3D printing

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Post by VorpalWay »

tda wrote: post #47
VorpalWay wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't specify a price range, but a Prusa Core One with INDX, or a Prusa XL could work if you aren't price sensitive. I have heard good things about the Snapmaker U1 that just released, though apparently the slicer software isn't quite there yet, but you could just run stock OrcaSlicer instead. Time will tell how reliable and more importantly serviceable the Snapmaker is. Prusas are renowned for both of those.

But what does Prusa offer for dust and moisture free filament storage? Why doesn't Prusa copy the "enclosed filament storage on top of printer' solution that is so much better then spools dangling on the side? I don;t want to but a BamuLabs I am willing to spend 2k+, but not on a printer that does not have a properly integrated filament solution.

What is wrong with a set of third party dry boxes, possibly even cheap DIY ones? I seem to remember there is a common plastic box that is made for storing cereal in that is just the right size. Just add some reverse Bowden tubes and put a series of those on top of the printer.

https://www.printables.com/search/models?q=drybox shows plenty of fancier alternatives as well.

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