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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by freediver »

itkovian_ wrote: post #353

The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. The requirement of being permanently obligated to pay us taxes on global income, if you have any kind of global mobility, is not worth it when you look at the situation objectively. The US is the only country that requires this, and signing up is voluntarily. So while US immigration c…

> The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric.

There is actually a list with metrics https://greatcountry.org (disclaimer: my pet project)

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Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by zeafoamrun »

wg0 wrote: post #625
itkovian_ wrote: post #353

The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. The requirement of being permanently obligated to pay us taxes on global income, if you have any kind of global mobility, is not worth it when you look at the situation objectively. The US is the only country that requires this, and signing up is voluntarily. So while US immigration c…

There's a term called "US Person". Many European banks will refuse to open your bank account if you're a "US Person" and require upfront declaration that I'm not a "US Person." Reason? Because banks don't want to deal with the mandatory annual reporting of the "US Persons" to US government on regular basis. Their solution? Don't have a "US Person" as your client.

This appears to have been downvoted but everything is completely factual in what the parent poster said. I have literally been told by many banks they can't help me due to this.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by cush »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #359
esalman wrote: post #280

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

> and paid over $100,000 in taxes last year alone Genuinely curious, what does taxes have to do with it? Everyone pays taxes, legal or illegal in some form. I don’t think paying your dues should make you more likely to get through the pipeline. After all, you paid those taxes because you made good money, which is what people come here for.

Citizenship is tied to the right to vote and Taxation without Representation was literally the driving force for the creation of America itself

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Post by khuey »

pea wrote: post #602
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

I agree with mostly everything you’re saying; but it’s not uncommon to be processed via your local consulate, even if you are already living in the US. This is usually just for the final issuing of the GC, and where USCIS approval has already happened (for instance, on an EB1A). People frequently do this so they don’t have the travel restriction. Source: I just did it.

> but it’s not uncommon to be processed via your local consulate, even if you are already living in the US.

It's relatively unusual. 84% of EB1s adjusted rather than apply at consulates in the last quarter USCIS released data for. Maybe it made sense for your circumstances.

https://ohss.dhs.gov/system/files/2025-07/2025_0725_ohss_leg...

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Post by vel0city »

itkovian_ wrote: post #476
itkovian_ wrote: post #353

The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. The requirement of being permanently obligated to pay us taxes on global income, if you have any kind of global mobility, is not worth it when you look at the situation objectively. The US is the only country that requires this, and signing up is voluntarily. So while US immigration c…

The extreme privilege of being forced to pay a major portion of all income you make, regardless of where you earn it, to the us gov indefinitely. And they make it hard for you to apply to do this. Crazy.

> being forced to pay a major portion of all income you make, regardless of where you earn it

If you're a US citizen living abroad you get a Foreign Earned Income Exclusion of $130,000 for 2025 taxes. So if your income was $130k you'd pay zero in US taxes. You potentially also get to deduct housing costs and get a credit for foreign taxes you already paid among other things.

If you're paying a "major portion of your income" as a US citizen living overseas you're probably pretty dang wealthy. Go wipe your tears with your bands of $100 bills.

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Post by thehappypm »

Fnoord wrote: post #636
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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Post by throwaway2037 »

array_key_first wrote: post #488
nairboon wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries In this situation, wouldn't the kids already have citizenship of their parents countries?

No? If you're born in the US you have US citizenship, you're American. You don't just magically get citizenship for your parents home country, at least not for most countries.

    > You don't just magically get citizenship for your parents home country, at least not for most countries.
Are there any countries where this is not true? I struggle to think of any, especially amoung highly-developed democratic nations. (There might be a couple of weirdo dictatorships that do not allow it.) It seems this would be necessary to prevent statelessness. For example, if your parents are living in the Netherlands as foreigners, children born there are not entitled to automatic Dutch citizenship. As a result, they will obtain citizenship through their parents (in a foreign nation).
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