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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by tamimio »

gdubs wrote: post #380

As an American, I just want to say that I'm very dismayed by the discourse around this topic over the past 24 hours in particular. The polarization of politics has become so intense, that the bipartisan mainstream position of just a couple of decades ago – that immigrants are a net positive to this country – feels like a distant dream. We've gone from perpetually punting the football on comprehensive immigration refo…

Immigrants are the low hanging fruit to attack, and the best to blame all your suffering on, meanwhile, the real issue is wealth distribution. Since covid, the very few people got mega wealthier while the majority suffered, do you just leave it as is for people to find out? No, you push other distractions like immigrants, race rage baits, and other nonsense to keep people busy fighting each other.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by ohyoutravel »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #457
thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's completely illogical that a person must first stay in a country for 5 years to become eligible This is wrong. There is no minimum time in the country for a green card. You are thinking of citizenship. That is different.

Wow. Downvotes for stating an obviously verifiable fact. HN is now filled with agenda pushers peddling obvious fake information about the US.

Can you think of any other reasons why you might have been downvoted? It seems a little conspiracy-minded to jump to “agenda pushing” I think.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by qingcharles »

d--b wrote: post #428
danielrmay wrote: post #271

I had 10 years of work experience and had been married to my wife for two years, together for five, when I applied for my spousal visa. We had already gone through the UK visa process to bring her there, but decided we wanted to try the USA. Despite being able to show 10 years of consistent working history with income far exceeding the minimum, because I didn’t have a job lined up in the US (who would, or could, in t…

I am pretty sure you’re talking about the time when the doctor asks you to lift your dick to check that you don’t have an STD or something . Best moment of the process.

Whoah. I never had that bit LOL. You got special treatment :) They did an eye test and made me get some vaccination records from when I was a kid.

The craziest bit I found was the GC interview where they test your spousal relationship. Expected questions like "What side of the bed do you sleep on?", "Who takes out the garbage?" -- instead they spent 30 minutes interrogating my wife about the military base she was born on and spent the first 6 months of her life at ("Who was the commanding officer at the time?"). It was like something out of a KGB script.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by jjtwixman »

rangestransform wrote: post #439
koalaman wrote: post #172

This is a really horrible policy and I personally know a fair few people and families that are going to have their lives upended by this. On the other hand I've always wondered if most of America's competitive advantage at driving tech innovation hasn't simply been through capturing the ROI of other more social minded countries investing in public education. It could be a massive long term benefit to Europe and Asia…

Those countries could keep their own talent through economic policy (i.e. fuck you pay me) That they don’t is entirely their own fault and they deserve to be brain drained. “Talent” are people with agency and not possessions subservient to national interests.

Sure, and now they don’t need to keep their talent through economic policy. The USA is being kind enough to force them to stay in Europe/Asia :)

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by csomar »

beAbU wrote: post #289
danielrmay wrote: post #271

I had 10 years of work experience and had been married to my wife for two years, together for five, when I applied for my spousal visa. We had already gone through the UK visa process to bring her there, but decided we wanted to try the USA. Despite being able to show 10 years of consistent working history with income far exceeding the minimum, because I didn’t have a job lined up in the US (who would, or could, in t…

Simila in Ireland: you are not allowed to seek work while in Ireland on a holiday visa, you can only apply for work permissions/visas from outside the country, and depending on the type of visa you get (general work vs critical skills), your spouse might have to wait a year before they can join you.

How is this the same? You can't apply for a green card on a holiday/tourist/non-working visa. You have to be already in the country for many years before you can do that.

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Post by aranelsurion »

didgetmaster wrote: post #325

The whole immigration argument basically boils down to two schools of thought. 1) Those who believe that every human born on this planet has a basic right to move to and live in, any country that they want. 2) Those who believe that the people who are currently citizens of countries around the world, have the right to set strict restrictions on who is allowed to move there. These two schools are fundamentally at odds…

That's a huge oversimplification though. Group 1 would mostly consist of some of the most ardent social progressives and some hippies, and the Group 2 is most everyone else and basically the policy in every country currently in existence.

In reality most people are somewhere in the spectrum of group 2:

* There are those who believe everyone economically net positive should be allowed.

* There are those who believe everyone who are a good cultural fit (for their personal criteria and biases) should be allowed.

* There are those who believe only exceptional people with rare talents should be allowed.

* There are those who believe people should only be allowed if they meet some definition of greater good.

* There are those who believe partner visas should be allowed/disallowed.

* There are those who believe only the wealthy people who'll spend or invest their wealth in the country should be allowed. (=various kinds of golden visas)

* There are those who believe no one except for certain race(s), nationality(es) or religion(s) should be allowed.

* There are those who believe no one should be allowed.

* ..Different combinations of above options..

* ?? (Many other possibilities)

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Post by qingcharles »

hvb2 wrote: post #400
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

When you're in your visa or green card process it's not uncommon to be advised not to travel out of the country... Yep. You're kind of in jail. It doesn't mean that you cannot, it just means that it might complicate your already complicated application. So if a family member dies, maybe... But that's it

I've known people who left for a brief period during the GC process on emergency basis and then were put into a literal jail on their return to the USA.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by caminante »

tty456 wrote: post #410
jfengel wrote: post #158

I hear "I'm not anti immigrant, I'm anti illegal immigrant" a lot. To which there is an easy solution: increase the number of legal immigrants we allow. Instead we're doing exactly the opposite, cutting down on legal immigration as well. Making it hard for me to believe that it was ever about illegal immigration at all.

The "anti illegal immigrant" crowd ignores, or more likely supports, the systemic racism built into the current immigration system put in place by racist lawmakers throughout the country. This new policy is no different and is a trap to kick out and never accept back more non-white immigrants.

How is a scheme systemically racist when >50% of 13M green card holders are from Latin/South America and Caribbean?

You can't be serious.

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