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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by thesmtsolver2 »

seshagiric wrote: post #301

This is just reckless without any responsibility. A number of people, especially in tech sector, legally stay in US while their GC is being processed. They have kids born in the USA. If such people were to leave USA to seek green card: - the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries - once reaching the other country, consular offices now have multi year wait lines for getting an appointment with a office…

> It's completely illogical that a person must first stay in a country for 5 years to become eligible

This is wrong. There is no minimum time in the country for a green card. You are thinking of citizenship. That is different.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by platevoltage »

tsss wrote: post #355
danielrmay wrote: post #271

I had 10 years of work experience and had been married to my wife for two years, together for five, when I applied for my spousal visa. We had already gone through the UK visa process to bring her there, but decided we wanted to try the USA. Despite being able to show 10 years of consistent working history with income far exceeding the minimum, because I didn’t have a job lined up in the US (who would, or could, in t…

The USA don't owe you citizenship. It's on you to prove that your presence there would be of benefit to the other citizens.

Green Cards aren't citizenship.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by michaelmrose »

0xy wrote: post #286
danielrmay wrote: post #271

I had 10 years of work experience and had been married to my wife for two years, together for five, when I applied for my spousal visa. We had already gone through the UK visa process to bring her there, but decided we wanted to try the USA. Despite being able to show 10 years of consistent working history with income far exceeding the minimum, because I didn’t have a job lined up in the US (who would, or could, in t…

This is complete nonsense. All other countries, including the UK, Australia and most of Europe has immigration systems that are just as stringent if not more so. Notably, and very relevant, the UK recently made it substantially harder for UK citizens to bring over spouses to the point that even teachers don't meet the income thresholds necessary to qualify. Australia is more expensive AND takes longer than the United…

Did you just pick other generally racist countries with unfriendly immigration policies to prove that all other countries have such systems?

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by p_j_w »

rubyfan wrote: post #234
jfengel wrote: post #158

I hear "I'm not anti immigrant, I'm anti illegal immigrant" a lot. To which there is an easy solution: increase the number of legal immigrants we allow. Instead we're doing exactly the opposite, cutting down on legal immigration as well. Making it hard for me to believe that it was ever about illegal immigration at all.

It wasn’t ever about illegal immigration. It’s a way to make the position sound logical and tolerable. Now the goal post is moving to make only certain people legal.

Trump equivocated when it came time to condemn people shouting “The Jews will not replace us” and the Proud Boys. Anyone who thinks it’s just about illegal immigrants is delusional.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by akkartik »

leokennis wrote: post #314

May the world extend Americans the hospitality that the US has extended to the world in the last year.

As a naturalized American citizen, I hope the world extends Americans who leave the same hospitality the US extended for decades before the last year.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by platevoltage »

jfengel wrote: post #158

I hear "I'm not anti immigrant, I'm anti illegal immigrant" a lot. To which there is an easy solution: increase the number of legal immigrants we allow. Instead we're doing exactly the opposite, cutting down on legal immigration as well. Making it hard for me to believe that it was ever about illegal immigration at all.

I'm not anti immigrant, I just really care about paperwork \s

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by imajoredinecon »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #359
esalman wrote: post #280

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

> and paid over $100,000 in taxes last year alone Genuinely curious, what does taxes have to do with it? Everyone pays taxes, legal or illegal in some form. I don’t think paying your dues should make you more likely to get through the pipeline. After all, you paid those taxes because you made good money, which is what people come here for.

Taxes are supposed to pay for public services. An efficient visa system is a public service. If you pay tons of taxes but don’t get a public service that’s personally very important to you, it’s natural to feel let down

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by ianm218 »

didgetmaster wrote: post #325

The whole immigration argument basically boils down to two schools of thought. 1) Those who believe that every human born on this planet has a basic right to move to and live in, any country that they want. 2) Those who believe that the people who are currently citizens of countries around the world, have the right to set strict restrictions on who is allowed to move there. These two schools are fundamentally at odds…

This simplification is very small. #2 is almost literally self evidently true.

Most of the disagreement is where a given country should be on the spectrum of zero immigration and fully open immigration.

You can know we have the right to set strict regulations, and also object to driving smart hardworking people away from your country for no reason.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by ViktorRay »

This is going to worsen healthcare in the United States.

Many critical roles are filled with doctors who are here on visas because there simply aren’t American graduates who want those jobs. I’m talking about jobs being doctors in hospitals and towns and cities that are not the most desirable.

Many of those doctors filling these positions today are immigrants who are on visas. They want to get green cards and stay here. They end up living long term in those communities caring for patients in them over the years.

If this policy goes into effect it will hurt all of that. And actually many of these hospitals and less desirable areas are placed with lots of Trump voters too.

In general if someone has spent years working hard with a visa and is law abiding and contributes to the community I don’t understand the purpose of making immigration harder. And I especially don’t understand why you would make it harder for doctors and engineers and other educated people who are here on visas to get a green card.

Can someone explain the rationale?

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