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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by phainopepla2 »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #468
phainopepla2 wrote: post #442

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This is a strange definition of religion, to basically mean anything that isn't science. Are all aesthetics and ethics a matter of religion?

People believe it because they learn to believe it in childhood. People who don’t believe it are bad. If you even question it, people get angry and say you’re bad. People support wars against other people solely on the basis of their disagreement with it. People think we should spread it to other people. Functionally, how is that different from religion? Sure, I am using a different definition of religion because the…

> we should just be labeling it accurately to avoid becoming confused about what we are doing.

I think you are doing quite the opposite, and your overexpansion of the term obfuscates things rather than clarifies them. As another user wrote, there is a perfectly good word that covers all your points: ideology.

And that way you don't get the side effect of claiming that cultural food preferences are religion, since they also can't be scientifically validated.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by Cabal »

Aurornis wrote: post #450
oxag3n wrote: post #447

Interesting times we observe. I don't recall such a massive rupture in opinions about modern technology. Even fight over blockchain and NFTs looks minuscule compared to AI. Engineers always fought about technology - MS technology stack iterations that promised new era in development, Borland RAD tools that made everyone "GUI developer", all those had evangelists and companies who pushed it. It's a healthy competition…

> I don't recall such a massive rupture in opinions about modern technology. When I was young I ran into a number of adults who refused to use e-mail. They thought it was a disgrace, a fad, or useless. They hated being forced to write emails and tried to force everything into being a phone call or a meeting. Back then changes happened more gradually. It took a long time for technologies like cell phones and email to…

> Blockchain and NFTs were a useless sideshow. Their investors and hodlers were trying to force them into places they weren’t useful

Not unlike trying to cajole a probabilistic text generator into writing code that isn't atrocious. And failing.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by registeredcorn »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #435
ethbr1 wrote: post #404

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I feel like I wasted 25 min watching that (at 2x). If your thesis is "The US was founded on anti-intellectual principles" and your only supporting facts are: - Some of the early colonists were religiously-driven - The inconvenient examples otherwise (e.g. the Enlightenment-influenced founders) can be ignored because some people at the time disliked them - Some presidents since have been populists Then that's a weak a…

You missed the education related points. Different strokes. I found it extremely entertaining.

>I found it extremely entertaining.

Forgive me for being nitpicky, but I think that is the entire point that they were making. Entertaining, but not informative. Fun, but not well-argued.

Example: I can be extremely engaged while listening to a stand-up comedian deliver an anecdote about why they believe what they believe. It can be incredibly interesting, engaging, and well put. It is not, however, an argument which supports their assertions, but merely a conduit which makes that position more palatable.

Insight is often dreary and frustratingly complex in terms of nuance and substance because what matters is everything, and what doesn't makes headlines. Entertainment is a broad stroke of a premise; a hand wave that says "like this".

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by badc0ffee »

apical_dendrite wrote: post #118
jdmoreira wrote: post #63

It’s sad that we ended up here. I can’t fathom that young people aren’t excited about technology anymore. I was young once and naive, and I read a bunch of sci-fi. I could never have imagined having these LLMs or coding agents during my lifetime. Never. It was unthinkable to me that something like this could even happen. And yet, here we are. Even if you think it’s just a statistical trick, you should still be blown…

I was inspired by technology when I was young, but not anymore. When I was young it felt like the tech industry was about empowering human beings - Steve Jobs liked to say that a computer was like a bicycle for the mind. Today it feels like the tech industry is about wonton destruction ("move fast and break things") for the purposes of making a tiny number of people fantastically wealthy. I'm aware that Steve Jobs wa…

> wonton destruction

Just as I was wondering what to have for lunch.

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Post by anthk »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #167
gruez wrote: post #99

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>I don't believe there will ever be any artificial intelligence, ... Sounds like you're talking about AGI, not AI. AI is here today.

AI was here in the 1970's too for that matter, in the form of expert systems. "AI" is the label that perennially gets applied to whatever current technology does something that was previously considered similar to human intelligence, then later on gets removed and applied to something new. You'll know were making progress towards AGI when LLMs start being called LLMs again, and something new starts being called AI.

As a die hard Schemer -and Prolog newbie-, I agree.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by wolvoleo »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #406
prewett wrote: post #351

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Religion is a lot broader than Christian fundamentalism and zealots. It's sort of like applied philosophy: how do you live a flourishing life in relationship to other people and to the god(s). Modernity has an implicit materialist worldview (matter is all that is) and an explicit rejection of the divine. However, if matter is all there is, then there is no meaning in the world. This is not a way to flourish in the wo…

The modern west is still very religious, they just switched to a new religion without a mascot. If you don’t believe me, explain to me how human rights, universal equality, democracy etc are based in science. You can’t, because they aren’t. Sorry for blaspheming. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them, by the way, it just means that it’s our religion to do them.

That's nothing to do with religion. It's just having values. You can have values without religion.

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Post by warumdarum »

LogicFailsMe wrote: post #449
justin66 wrote: post #407

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He’s a seminal figure!

Now why'd you'd have to ejaculate that into the conversation? Anyway, Minsky, perceptrons, great debunking of AI hype at the time, but a horrible person, ya know, just like Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov. https://www.christopherkremmer.com/post/to-sir-with-love https://web.archive.org/web/20240519113411/https://skepchick... Anyway, they're all dead. Can we move on? Although I remain astonished that Foundation got…

If you have a monsters hunger you produce a angels worth of work to be "tolerated" by society that rightfully despises you?

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Post by warumdarum »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #379
prewett wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Religion is a lot broader than Christian fundamentalism and zealots. It's sort of like applied philosophy: how do you live a flourishing life in relationship to other people and to the god(s). Modernity has an implicit materialist worldview (matter is all that is) and an explicit rejection of the divine. However, if matter is all there is, then there is no meaning in the world. This is not a way to flourish in the wo…

>However, if matter is all there is, then there is no meaning in the world. This is not a way to flourish in the world. Things like this really make it hard, as an atheist, to receive the argument that my problem is with Christianity, and not with religion. You're saying that my beliefs mean there's no meaning, and are incompatible with flourishing in the world. I understand you feel the need to defend your beliefs a…

You need stories, preferable positive stories. Not those about endless wars and horrors, those stories work like a contraceptive. They are pure poison, no matter how true, scientific and educational.
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