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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by dawnerd »

throwatdem12311 wrote: post #83
Jtarii wrote: post #52

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Companies that use AI well will replace the companies that use AI badly. There is no world in which AI is not used extensively in all employment going forward.

Maybe. But I used to have unlimited Claude Code usage but now I’m relegated to whatever the subscription happens to give me and when I run out of tokens I need to trad code until my limits reset. My manager saw the bill and nearly fell out of his chair. Small companies just can’t afford the added cost of AI at the real price (and we aren’t even in the real price territory yet). Hell, even Microsoft is having trouble…

The copilot token pricing is going to wake a lot of companies up. Even with our smaller company only using around 1/3 of our allotted requests, next month the bill will easily twice as much.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by abc123abc123 »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #379
prewett wrote: post #351

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Religion is a lot broader than Christian fundamentalism and zealots. It's sort of like applied philosophy: how do you live a flourishing life in relationship to other people and to the god(s). Modernity has an implicit materialist worldview (matter is all that is) and an explicit rejection of the divine. However, if matter is all there is, then there is no meaning in the world. This is not a way to flourish in the wo…

>However, if matter is all there is, then there is no meaning in the world. This is not a way to flourish in the world. Things like this really make it hard, as an atheist, to receive the argument that my problem is with Christianity, and not with religion. You're saying that my beliefs mean there's no meaning, and are incompatible with flourishing in the world. I understand you feel the need to defend your beliefs a…

This is the way!

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by dawnerd »

bdangubic wrote: post #189
contravariant wrote: post #182

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You've somehow confused using AI well with using it extensively. Sometimes using something well involves not using it at all.

not using it at all is no longer an option, companies that are not using it at all will die slow/fast death but death nonetheless.

That's like saying farmers that don't use pesticides will die out. There's whole industries around doing things not the way big companies say you have to. Human-centric firms will pop up and proposer.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

ethbr1 wrote: post #404
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #348

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I just yesterday watched a scathing video about why the US has always had a major strain of anti-intellectualism, starting from the very first colonists: https://youtu.be/j9MubNsh3rs?si=wpG1YLDz_Y9cOECQ

I feel like I wasted 25 min watching that (at 2x). If your thesis is "The US was founded on anti-intellectual principles" and your only supporting facts are: - Some of the early colonists were religiously-driven - The inconvenient examples otherwise (e.g. the Enlightenment-influenced founders) can be ignored because some people at the time disliked them - Some presidents since have been populists Then that's a weak a…

You missed the education related points.

Different strokes. I found it extremely entertaining.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by jpalawaga »

scandox wrote: post #388
BobaFloutist wrote: post #380

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Pray elaborate.

Because, in practice, it turns telling people what they want to hear into a first-class virtue. >> "We told him about how our land had been stolen and our people were dying. When we finished he shook our hands and said, 'Endeavor to persevere!' ... We thought about it for a long time, 'Endeavor to persevere.' And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union."

Or, it is saying things in a way that will be actually heard by an audience, regardless of content.

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Post by aubanel »

jcgrillo wrote: post #108
aubanel wrote: post #97

This contrast is a bit sad. When Eric Schmidt told students the truth about the importance that AI will take in the future ("It will touch every profession, every lab..."), students booked him But the takes like "AI is not real/powerful, human intelligence is better", which are basically pleasant myopic lies, are cheered. Cope bias is powerful.

> Cope bias is powerful. Have you stopped to consider whether this statement might be more applicable to yourself? "Myopic lies" is at the very least highly exaggerated phrasing, if not itself myopic and a false characterization. If it's not too uncomfortable for you, some honest introspection might be worthwhile.

With what would I be coping? I'd much prefer (probably like most people) if AI were not that powerful. The harsh reality, and the stuff of cope, is that it's (too) powerful.

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Post by doginasuit »

butlike wrote: post #294
doginasuit wrote: post #202

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> The simple fact that we are sentient beings, capable of joy and suffering, gives us value. People will understandably ask, what is the actual value of being capable of joy and suffering? I frame it another way. There is value in affording all beings dignity, respect, and the opportunity to thrive. The question of our individual value as a being is undignified. People can be more or less valuable to a particular eff…

There's no value in life, but life should be allowed to exist. Who's to say otherwise? The lifeless dust and rock of the moon is an simpler value proposition to quantify than the messy intrinsic value of overlapping, ever-changing life here on Earth.

Life is valuable to life. Or to say it another way, there is no concept of value beyond the reckoning of living things, even the value of dust and rock on the moon.

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Post by wolvoleo »

Haha this is a totally Woz thing to do He's a genuinely nice guy, not one of those hard-as-nails business types like most IT CEOs. I'd love to work for a company he'd run. It might not be as successful as the others but you would know you're actually doing good things for people. Unlike other companies that put Don't be Evil in their mottoes but are evil as hell.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by hackable_sand »

konschubert wrote: post #86
feverzsj wrote: post #28

He also said he's not impressed by LLM, which I totally agree.

I don't know what to say. I may not like it, you may not think it's actually intelligent, you may not think it's going to change the world - but how can you not see that this is revolutionary?

How so?

What can LLM's do that can't be done by a human?

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