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Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by Oras »

lnsru wrote: post #34

Actual intelligence is useless when decision makers send new weekly AI rules to be better employees. It’s race to the bottom. Race to an endless technical debt. Some companies will implode when codebases stop being manageable. The small minority will thrive. But majority not. I see it used in hardware world. Clever dudes without prior experience with software craft working Python scripts, automate tests, control hard…

It’s not like code base written by developers before AI were manageable. The term tech debt was there way before AI coding, and was mainly due to changes made by developers.

I see the point of your argument when this is done by inexperienced developers, as they wouldn’t know what’s happening but for those who knows and guide what has to be done, I don’t see much difference. It’s about understanding the outcome, and evaluating the risk.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by Jtarii »

lnsru wrote: post #34

Actual intelligence is useless when decision makers send new weekly AI rules to be better employees. It’s race to the bottom. Race to an endless technical debt. Some companies will implode when codebases stop being manageable. The small minority will thrive. But majority not. I see it used in hardware world. Clever dudes without prior experience with software craft working Python scripts, automate tests, control hard…

Companies that use AI well will replace the companies that use AI badly. There is no world in which AI is not used extensively in all employment going forward.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by irishcoffee »

theow838484jj wrote: post #47

There was study that big percentage of university graduates, strugles to comprehend written text. In AI terms: take 20k token paper, feed it to well rested graduate, and they will strugle with basic memory recall, reasoning and comprehension! My laptop performs better than that!

Ah studies, those things nobody ever cares to reproduce.

At least you provided a source! Er… wait, you didn’t even tell us your laptop model, describe the paper other than in terms of token size, or where these well rested graduate students (read: unicorns) hide from the rest of the world.

Give it a bit more effort next time.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by Jtarii »

SecretDreams wrote: post #36
ramon156 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do tell me how young people can help with AI shaping, as this just sounds like "how cows can help shape the meat industry"

Now, more than ever, I think young people are cows for the economic meat grinder. It takes me to one of my favourite quotes: "We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children." I think we've forgotten this. We are not paying it forward any more as a society.

The world is a significantly better place than it was when my parents were my age.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by master-lincoln »

aduwah wrote: post #40
jappgar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can start by voting for politicians who will rein in big tech

There is no politician who stands against big tech and by extension big money

not even Bernie Sanders?

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by bayindirh »

Oras wrote: post #51
lnsru wrote: post #34

Actual intelligence is useless when decision makers send new weekly AI rules to be better employees. It’s race to the bottom. Race to an endless technical debt. Some companies will implode when codebases stop being manageable. The small minority will thrive. But majority not. I see it used in hardware world. Clever dudes without prior experience with software craft working Python scripts, automate tests, control hard…

It’s not like code base written by developers before AI were manageable. The term tech debt was there way before AI coding, and was mainly due to changes made by developers. I see the point of your argument when this is done by inexperienced developers, as they wouldn’t know what’s happening but for those who knows and guide what has to be done, I don’t see much difference. It’s about understanding the outcome, and e…

Tech debt is a debt taken to reduce development time. It's a time debt actually. Patching something that would work until the team has the time to do it correctly.

...and that time never comes in most cases. Because monies are earned in exchanged for that debt and, management cares about monies. They don't see that debt as important, or as debt at all.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by eloisius »

lnsru wrote: post #34

Actual intelligence is useless when decision makers send new weekly AI rules to be better employees. It’s race to the bottom. Race to an endless technical debt. Some companies will implode when codebases stop being manageable. The small minority will thrive. But majority not. I see it used in hardware world. Clever dudes without prior experience with software craft working Python scripts, automate tests, control hard…

It may be useful outside the current tech rat race. One possibility is that a decade of openly user-hostile business decisions will reach their logical conclusion even faster, and those that haven’t fried our brains with CC may be in a position to pick up customers from these behemoths as they disintegrate.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by limflick »

theow838484jj wrote: post #47

There was study that big percentage of university graduates, strugles to comprehend written text. In AI terms: take 20k token paper, feed it to well rested graduate, and they will strugle with basic memory recall, reasoning and comprehension! My laptop performs better than that!

I haven't read the study, but I wonder if one reason comprehension went down was because of over-reliance on AI among students.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by robrain »

master-lincoln wrote: post #39
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to me... Maybe a ESL thing

"Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence " Could be interpreted as Steve himself cheered. Or it could be interpreted as the passive which is meant here but I would argue it should then say "Steve Wozniak cheered at after telling..." but I am not a native speaker. The original title "Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak got cheers, not boos, after telling students they 'all have AI — a…

Could also mean that he was cheered by the response to his comments and his disposition improved. There are layers of ambiguity in this headline.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Post by theow838484jj »

irishcoffee wrote: post #53
theow838484jj wrote: post #47

There was study that big percentage of university graduates, strugles to comprehend written text. In AI terms: take 20k token paper, feed it to well rested graduate, and they will strugle with basic memory recall, reasoning and comprehension! My laptop performs better than that!

Ah studies, those things nobody ever cares to reproduce. At least you provided a source! Er… wait, you didn’t even tell us your laptop model, describe the paper other than in terms of token size, or where these well rested graduate students (read: unicorns) hide from the rest of the world. Give it a bit more effort next time.

20k tokens is about 40 pages of text. Weekly i do about 1000x that. (I am very low lever user)

I really do not think there is a point to argue here.

Also why you have to be unicorn to comprehend 40 pages paper? I often do it with no sleep, while drunk. Hardly unicorn!

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