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Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Companies that use AI well will replace the companies that use AI badly. There is no world in which AI is not used extensively in all employment going forward.

Right now LLMs are heavily subsidized. When that ends, the actual cost of the service may exceed its usefulness for many use cases.

Computation halves in price every ~2 years so maybe in the short term but not in the long term

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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No one should have more than $140MM. That is a ludicrous amount of money.

Additionally, it's kinda funny to see someone arguing that an individual who's famous for talking about how uncomfortable he is with massive wealth, including his own, should be more wealthy than he is.

That's what happens when someone views the world through the lens of "wealth is the only way to measure success"

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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A thing that people have chosen to call AI is here today.

That just continues a tradition of moving the goalposts for "AI" to just beyond what's currently possible.

There is no rigorous definition of intelligence, let alone artificial intelligence. What you're referring to is people simply not knowing what they're talking about.

More to the point, there has always been a cottage industry in predicting an amazing future, just around the corner. 'AGI' is just the latest incarnation.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Its not a rambling but sad fact of life, one of the failures of mankind so far. And we don't need to talk about some backwater 3rd world country (actually we do) - US has big issues allowing basic science to be taught to kids, because of some set of stories and anecdotes from various people gathered over centuries together about some potential events around one mason who started yet another sect 2k years ago, and the…

I just yesterday watched a scathing video about why the US has always had a major strain of anti-intellectualism, starting from the very first colonists: https://youtu.be/j9MubNsh3rs?si=wpG1YLDz_Y9cOECQ

I feel like I wasted 25 min watching that (at 2x).

If your thesis is "The US was founded on anti-intellectual principles" and your only supporting facts are:

   - Some of the early colonists were religiously-driven
   - The inconvenient examples otherwise (e.g. the Enlightenment-influenced founders) can be ignored because some people at the time disliked them
   - Some presidents since have been populists
Then that's a weak argument.

... and also, that could have been a 15 min video without the histrionics.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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>Would you prefer the harsh unpopular truth of Erich Schmidt, or a sweet lie of Wozniak? What Erich Schmidt is doing is not about describing hard reality. He is trying to make a particular version of the future come true by painting it as inevitable. It's literally a propaganda technique.

"The future is already here—it’s just not very evenly distributed." AI has made my life so much easier. If I need to change non-standard lightbulbs (e.g., G9, MR11, A19), I'm taking a picture and asking my AI what kind are they. If I need to create the first pass of test scripts, I ask my AI. It's reduced technical debt and let me focus on the things I care about.

I honestly can't tell if this is satire or not. If so, great job. If not - destroying the world so you can look up a lightbulb is not worth it, and you could have done that before anyway.

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Its not a rambling but sad fact of life, one of the failures of mankind so far. And we don't need to talk about some backwater 3rd world country (actually we do) - US has big issues allowing basic science to be taught to kids, because of some set of stories and anecdotes from various people gathered over centuries together about some potential events around one mason who started yet another sect 2k years ago, and the…

Religion is a lot broader than Christian fundamentalism and zealots. It's sort of like applied philosophy: how do you live a flourishing life in relationship to other people and to the god(s). Modernity has an implicit materialist worldview (matter is all that is) and an explicit rejection of the divine. However, if matter is all there is, then there is no meaning in the world. This is not a way to flourish in the wo…

The modern west is still very religious, they just switched to a new religion without a mascot.

If you don’t believe me, explain to me how human rights, universal equality, democracy etc are based in science. You can’t, because they aren’t. Sorry for blaspheming. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them, by the way, it just means that it’s our religion to do them.

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A bit off topic, but about commencement speeches... Marvin Minsky spoke at my graduation. It was around the time when it seemed like genetic therapies might solve all kinds of problems, and there was a big debate, moral objections, etc. Most of the talk was a rambling rant against religion holding us back from scientific improvements to life. It did not go over in the mostly christian crowd. I loved it.

> Marvin Minsky spoke at my graduation. I don't know about mentioning that one.

He’s a seminal figure!

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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Actual intelligence is useless when decision makers send new weekly AI rules to be better employees. It’s race to the bottom. Race to an endless technical debt. Some companies will implode when codebases stop being manageable. The small minority will thrive. But majority not. I see it used in hardware world. Clever dudes without prior experience with software craft working Python scripts, automate tests, control hard…

If you run your own company — even a tiny one — you don't have to do any of that shit (unless you want to).

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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The man is hailed as a brilliant nerd in our circles. I didn't realize he's a great public speaker. He really read the room. The "McKenzie"-style lady and Schmidt from Google (who really seemed to resent the pushback and chided graduates), can go to hell. I'm happy that someone is telling the young people who are likely to suffer because of this tech that they matter. I can't imagine how much angst much exist after t…

I've been thinking about the expression "Reading the Room" for the last ten years. I've come to the conclusion finally that it is extremely pernicious.

Communication is not deterministic. Communication cannot take place without a selection of communication method, and there are inherently subjective and lossy parts to any communication attempt. Aligning my communication method to the specific audience could be "just telling them what they want to hear", or it can be telling them what I intend to communicate in a manner that are prepared to/capable of understanding, i.e. "reading the room".

Re: Steve Wozniak cheered after telling students they have AI – actual intelligence

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No AI company is addressing the elephant in the room that you need someone experienced constantly monitoring any agentic workflows. This means that the cost savings of agents are a myth. My company actually did an internal study of agent usage for coding and found it only improved productivity by 10-20%, basically on the same level as good code templates or an autocomplete.

Less and less true with every new generation of AI systems. AI gets better and better at operating self-supervised, and the amount of skill needed to supervise an AI in a useful fashion only ever goes up.

That simply isn't true. LLMs are completely incapable of operating without supervision, same as they were 3 years ago.
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