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The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by hackyhacky »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #38
richforrester wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has little to do with what I said. A third of the world lives in poverty. That's the fault of capitalism.

Really? What other systems are better at lifting people out of poverty (without killing a few tens of millions in the process?) There are so many other places where this sort of low-effort high-school edgelording fits in better than here.

> There are so many other places where this sort of low-effort high-school edgelording fits in better than here.

A good sign of low-effort edgelording is championing an obviously broken system by using a straw man to disparage the alternatives.

Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by xinayder »

Maybe it's time to go back to the time where computers and entertainment were niche and develop efficient resource-constrained devices....

I hate it that we had decades of progress to have computers become a very expensive hobby because some dudes high on fentanyl think some text prediction model that destroys the planet is worth a trillion dollars.

Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by ls612 »

rationalist wrote: post #36
ls612 wrote: post #21

I’m really wishing I had overbuilt my NAS last year. As it stands I feel lucky to have even built it at all given I bought all the parts in the last week of September. My 4090 and 12900k are gonna have to last till 2029 at this rate won’t they…

Won't processors come down in price because people are buying less of them because people are buying less computers because of higher RAM prices? I've heard that is happening for motherboards.

I’m not gonna build new until I can get a GPU and RAM as well lol. That’s gonna be a few years for sure.

Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by hnthrowaway6323 »

amazingamazing wrote: post #24

Maybe if we're lucky we get more memory efficient software. ehh who am I kidding.

Might get some ingenious creations from poorer countries, like how in China they mod RTX GPUs to have more RAM because of export controls. Maybe some souped up Xiaomi devices with insane amounts of memory from old donor parts? Custom ROMs/postmarketOS for ultra low end devices that wouldn't normally get them but needed because they're going to need to last a few more years?

Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by RachelF »

amazingamazing wrote: post #24

Maybe if we're lucky we get more memory efficient software. ehh who am I kidding.

Yeah, modern software towers of libraries literally eat memory.

MS Teams uses around 1000MB of RAM to do exactly the same things that Microsoft Messenger could do in 8MB.

Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by 7thpower »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #46

It's impressive that somehow, as if by coincidence, we're seeing the biggest inflationary drivers for decades, perhaps for centuries, all happening simultaneously. The Iran war is spiking the price of oil and will likely cause shortages of pretty much everything if it isn't ended. The Ukraine war is helping with that by destroying Russian refining capacity. The memory shortage is set to do the same to consumer electr…

Farms are failing where? More than usual?

Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by tootie »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #46

It's impressive that somehow, as if by coincidence, we're seeing the biggest inflationary drivers for decades, perhaps for centuries, all happening simultaneously. The Iran war is spiking the price of oil and will likely cause shortages of pretty much everything if it isn't ended. The Ukraine war is helping with that by destroying Russian refining capacity. The memory shortage is set to do the same to consumer electr…

US tariffs are mostly dead. Ruled illegal and being refunded. Second attempt at tariffs has also been stopped. And inflation over the past 5 years is still milder than the late 70s and definitely milder than what has been seen in Turkey or Argentina or Zimbabwe.

Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by bdangubic »

7thpower wrote: post #56
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #46

It's impressive that somehow, as if by coincidence, we're seeing the biggest inflationary drivers for decades, perhaps for centuries, all happening simultaneously. The Iran war is spiking the price of oil and will likely cause shortages of pretty much everything if it isn't ended. The Ukraine war is helping with that by destroying Russian refining capacity. The memory shortage is set to do the same to consumer electr…

Farms are failing where? More than usual?

they are not failing, our Socialist President provides billions in handouts for Farmers so they gonna be just fine

Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by hcurtiss »

shimman wrote: post #30
swatcoder wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what happens if the market settles back down or the leading memory tech pivots away from what you invested all this capital and time chasing? You'd need a very strong, very particular forecast to make such a costly bet. And conversely, it may say something about their internal forecasts that they're not making the bet.

Why should society care about people making profits? Society would greatly benefit from cheap abundant ram than FAANG shares going up. I'm kinda sick about only caring that some billionaire makes more money and would rather you know... actually improve conditions to better society. This is why China is eating the West. Quite easy to start an electronics company when you have such an abundance of suppliers, compare th…

You think Chinese businesses aren’t in it for the profits?

Re: The memory shortage is causing a repricing of consumer electronics

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Post by rationalist »

hackyhacky wrote: post #50
rationalist wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A third of the world lives in poverty. That's the fault of capitalism. So what you're saying is that capitalism lifted about two thirds of the world out of poverty. Thanks to capitalism, I don't have to toil in the fields.

> Thanks to capitalism, I don't have to toil in the fields. No, that's thanks to commerce not to capitalism. Capitalism benefits those those who hold capital, which is not me. The fact that there are more than enough resources for no one to live in poverty should suggest to you that something is wrong with the distribution system. "It's true, Mr/Ms Rationalist, that our patented Miracle Medical Snakeoil caused a thir…

> > Thanks to capitalism, I don't have to toil in the fields.

> No, that's thanks to commerce not to capitalism. Capitalism benefits those those who hold capital, which is not me.

Are you toiling in the fields? It seems to me like your attitude is that "If I can't be rich, then no one should be rich."

> The fact that there are more than enough resources for no one to live in poverty should suggest to you that something is wrong with the distribution system.

So instead of two thirds of the world not living in poverty, everyone should live in poverty equally?

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