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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by lambda »

arjie wrote: post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

Near the top:

  TL;DR With Flipper One, we're reimagining what a Linux cyberdeck can be — it's a huge 
  project. We're opening up the development process and asking the community for help.
Then later:

  We're asking the community to help us polish RK3576 support so we can build a truly 
  open platform together. We'd be glad for any kind of contribution, not just code. 
  For example, maybe you can find a way to convince Rockchip to open up that last blob.
And:

  Openness has always been our thing. With Flipper One, we want to go further — not 
  just open-source code, but an open development process. We're publishing our task 
  trackers, internal discussions, half-finished docs, and architectural debates. All 
  the messy stuff companies usually keep behind closed doors.
Then later:

  We're also hiring a Developer Portal Manager — someone to act as a proxy between 
  our dev team and the community, help shape the Developer Portal, and engage with 
  contributors. Apply for the Developer Portal & Community Manager role.
Then they go into a lot more of the technical details of the process, with a few specific callouts of places they want help.

  If you're into wireless work — auditing, monitoring, injection, mesh, anything — 
  we invite you to come test it with us: read the Wi-Fi Testing page on the 
  Developer Portal and help us decide whether this chipset is the right call, 
  or whether we should look elsewhere before we lock in the design.
I will say though: a lot of this has the feel of being LLM generated or "polished", which has the effect of making the brain kind of slide off of it. I know their team doesn't consist of native English speakers, so it's common for non-native speakers to use LLMs to try to polish their writing, but I find that the actual result is to make the writing have a just kind of bland personality that makes it harder to follow.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by mrandish »

I had a non-tech acquaintance mention he got called to his son's school because his kid "got busted" with "a hacking device". Based my friend's vague description, it must have been a Flipper Zero. The kid was initially threatened with expulsion but I assume someone from the school with a clue got involved and it was knocked down to a 3 day suspension. Still excessive but a survivable lesson.

So, if you have kids just be aware that while we all know these are just SBCs with some neat SDR peripherals, the first Google hit a school administrator sees may be some mainstream media article with a click-bait headline.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by rockskon »

mrandish wrote: post #352

I had a non-tech acquaintance mention he got called to his son's school because his kid "got busted" with "a hacking device". Based my friend's vague description, it must have been a Flipper Zero. The kid was initially threatened with expulsion but I assume someone from the school with a clue got involved and it was knocked down to a 3 day suspension. Still excessive but a survivable lesson. So, if you have kids just…

The sad thing is....talking with LEOs that cause panics like this when they're apologizing after the fact....they have zero consideration for doing anything relating to schools taking action on their public statements and statements made to news outlets. Schools aren't their remit (and yet talking with news outlets is?). So as far as I can tell, school children being punished for the crime of having or using a toy that looks scary are unfortunate externalities from well-meaning LEOs.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by jmole »

mrandish wrote: post #344
embedding-shape wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This effort seems less of a "Help us by buying our product" and more a plea for contributors as a FOSS effort, they want to do things like this: "Collabora + Flipper: Opening up the RK3576" https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/coll... , and are basically looking for developers and other technology enthusiasts to help them both with the projects themselves, and also try to network (socially) their w…

> to help us polish RK3576 support Having a few various RPi's (as one does), when they've been out of stock, I've looked into the huge variety of similar SBCs (OrangePi, etc) which can be even faster, with more ports and features for around the same money as an equivalent RPi. Many are powered by various RockChip SoCs, which extend up to desktop replacement-level, but the Linux driver support is usually lacking in so…

I've had the same frustration with rockchip, but if you search the lkml you'll find that they are indeed trying their best: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/?q=rock-chips.com

the biggest issue is that actually contributing to upstream is an *incredibly* difficult and painful process.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by SpaceNoodled »

arjie wrote: post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

It seems quite clear from reading the page: they are crowdsourcing development.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

inventor7777 wrote: post #293

I really, really, really love this concept. I think there is SOME feature creep, but it does seem more or less scoped well to IP-type protocols. However, I don't think they need to be prioritizing the local AI features, which are cool...but models get far smarter when you run them on a proper Mac/external GPU vs a small battery powered Flipper device. I think it might be helpful on the go, in the field, etc, but the…

Re: the on-device AI, most people don't know what they don't know. And they don't know that there's dozens of on-device AI applications that already exist in the real world using tiny AI models.

ESP32-S3's have been doing on-device AI for years. That's a 240MHz processor with 512KB SRAM, 16MB PSRAM and no GPU, and AI works great on it.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by petee »

Reubend wrote: post #321

Seems like a branding mistake to me. This new device doesn't target the same group of customers that the Flipper Zero did, so it will be much harder for them to market it effectively, since the first device is already famous enough that people know them for that market.

Based on a lot of the comments here, this would have been decently received if it were marketed as something not-a-flipper...the "Willy One".

Especially the loss of IR, which is great for kids to play with and get immediate feedback

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by monegator »

embedding-shape wrote: post #277
monegator wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another thing i noticed: every time i am even slightly critical of anything LLM, i get a wave of upvotes followed by a wave of downvotes

upvotes/downvotes here and elsewhere stopped being a good indicator of quality as soon as it was deployed. I don't think any numbers can be trusted on the internet or the web anymore, you'll see high quality comments being downvoted and trash comments being upvoted all the time, it just completely stopped mattering. I'm viewing HN currently in a client that renders the HN comments completely flat and in chronological…

Yes i know, mine was a (not so) thongue in cheek remark about karma farming and bots everywhere

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by pstuart »

arm32 wrote: post #283
antirez wrote: post #236

This lacks the sharp idea the Zero had. I have the feeling that in order to do something different, and not an evolution, the result will be borderline useless: a portable ARM computer with Wifi / satellite connection / ... And, then? What I can do with it? The evolution that I could like is a Zero with more CPU power, SDR and LoRa. Then let's implement all the cool protocols that it is possible to implement.

I wish they took the Zero, added the Linux, SDR and 5G and the fancy case upgrade. Leave the AI out. That'd be sweet.

The AI is effectively free with the NPU/GPU just sitting there. I could see the possibility of models that are tuned to network/radio analysis that could enhance the value proposition.
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